Andypinboy, they are for sale and at reasonable prices
they are listed in the super secret sales section that you can access after 1000 posts and 100 bottle caps sent to the admins

Don't think I'll be joining the stonemason's chapter of AP    Sounds like it's the dealers, & even if not they deserve some stick anyway due to their lack of principles. Oh well, $20k burning a hole in my pocket for 4 or 5 machines & nothing much around - it is what it is.