Thanks heaps for all the quick responses guys much appprichiated.
I sometimes rush in and act from the heart instead of the brain and it's great to be able to get some experienced unbiased third party advice another reason that this forum is such a great resource.
I think most of you would know the frustrations and eventually joy of chasing down that hard to find grail pin.
I'll still go and have a look in the morning all part of the learning curve but I'll hold off on making the offer.