Sounds like i'm being unrealistic on Price
But if i see a super clean semi restored whitewater sell on Ebay for $2500
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=150350877893

and i saw a fishtales that is pretty clean sell for $2500
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=200338663222
and with most ops stating that $1500 is the minimum price for shopping out a pinny i don't understand why i am so off the pace looking at spending this on a non shopped machine.
I have seen a fishtales sell on ebay for $1666
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150342351281

I have been offered a twilight zone for $2500 which i am starting to think would be a better option than spending $2000 on buying a ft or whitewater... I really want to get my hands dirty.
I am in the funny position of having knocked back operators when i was offered pinnys at cheap prices not 6 months ago{the ol closing down sale}
I am a filthy capitalist, It is a better option dollar wise to buy a clean whitewater or fishtales from looking at these two ebay sales than to buy a unshopped one for $2000
But maybe at $2500 twilight zone is a better option