THANKS DAN,your info is great.So I had a go with your instructions at hand and all was good,bloody EZ infact,so I got into a bottle of red 1/2 way into it,haven't had some for a while. Well" it" went a bit relaxed into the job then thinking it's no worries ,the pic's will get me out of the shit. NO NO I melted the platter with the solder iron ,don't do it pissed if you carn't handle piss.  Thanks Dan it was still fun,the next day I finished it and was well worth the effort.cheers