All seems to be a bit complicated IMHO. I think its good that members can offer their pin for sale to other members before listing on epay. I reckon container pins are a great way to source an affordable project machine, not everyone is looking for a fully shopped pin (and the price it then demands). At the end of the day its up to the purchaser to actually look/test a machine before handing over the cash, otherwise take the risk. My 2 cents.........