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1930's WILLIAMS MYSTERY PINBALL
« on: January 27, 2010, 01:15:09 PM »
Hi all.

I have had this pingame for about 5 years and have finally gotten around to trying to identify it. I’ve asked all the old pinball game experts in the States. The general theory at the moment is that it is a mixture of parts from two companies Harry “the Father of Pinball” Williams was heavily involved with, Automatic Amusements Company and Pacific Amusement Manufacturing Company (PAMCO).

Williams’ first pinball he fully designed was the “Advance” in 1932. In his own words “mechanical gates stopped the balls……then, by putting another ball through a hole at the top of the machine, the player raised the gate and allowed the first ball to roll down into the high-scoring area.” That is precisely what my machine does, as you see in the pics. It has two holding gates and two release holes, rather than one. A see-saw type mechanism under the playfield opens the gates. Harry also spoke of arches at the top and bottom which were made of metal rather than the traditional timber, and my machine’s are metal also. Unfortunately there are no images to date of the “Advance” machine to verify the idea this is the same machine.

The “Advance” preceded the first ever EM game, “Contact” designed by Williams and made by PAMCO (see link below). The advancement to higher scoring concept was the same in “Contact”, but was implemented by electronically kicking out the balls held in holes further down the playfield rather than via the mechanical release of gate-held balls.

http://www.coinopgamemuseum.com/games/contact/contact.html

You will see similarities with this PAMCO pinball “Time” (see link below) and my machine. Another Williams first, the anti-tilt mechanism is the same, the simple pedestal kind where a small ball falls off the pedestal due to excessive nudging. The serial number is the same position as on my machine, including the letter “C”, just below the front door and left. It is mysteriously crossed out though on this “Time” machine, but is 4791 on my game.

http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2562&picno=40033

It is highly likely my machine was disassembled, shipped to Oz then reassembled. It may even have a locally made conversion playfield, which is highly Art Deco and fits in well with the 1932/33 vintage.

I have had the most help from Ken Lyons of www.prewarpinball.com and Rob Hawkins of http://www.pinballcollectorsresource.com/refer.html who are both continuing to research my pingame.

If anyone has or knows of people with old pinballs knowledge and reference material please let me know. Hopefully there are amusement machine catalogues from 1932 onwards out there somewhere.

Cheers

Chris

crushworth@yahoo.com

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Re: 1930's WILLIAMS MYSTERY PINBALL
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2010, 03:00:39 PM »
 %)% Chris, what a great old pin!
You gotta take those rusty balls out though mate, don't want to damage the playfield even if only for a couple of photos.
Good luck with finding info on the old girl, looks like you are finding a lot of history on the way

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Re: 1930's WILLIAMS MYSTERY PINBALL
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 03:19:23 PM »
Sadly i cant help but what a beauty you have there Good luck on the hunt for info ^^^

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 03:47:00 PM »
Thanks for the good lucks, and thanks ktm450 for such a simple piece of advice. I won't use the rusty balls any more on the playfield, not that I've used em much at all. There are 6, originally there would have been 10. The coin slide is working nicely on a threepence. On with my search......  !@#

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Re: 1930's WILLIAMS MYSTERY PINBALL
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 05:45:08 PM »
Hi mate,

I dont think the PF would be locally made, there was nothing in Australia that would even pertain to pinball in the 30's.. any pinball that was on these shores at that time was shipped in from USA. Quite a few were shipped in by immigrants that set up shop here, they would bring all that sat in the milk bar in USA with them on the ship and simply set it up once here. I have a 1937 STONER RICOCHET that was brought to Tasmania in late 30's. The business then moved to melbourne where the pin was sold to a vendor here in Brisbane, by 1949 or so, it was sold privately and sat under a house till i bought it some 5 or 6 years ago.
A give away would be the coin slide.. if it has been converted to old pennies or similar than it was on site here somewhere for some of its life, if it is still 5c or 10c then it was never in play on these shores.
a good person to send your pictures to would be TERRY CUMMINGS - he specialises in 30's pinball, he can be contacted through his site here

http://1930s.com/pinball/index.html

There are about 3 email addresses for him on this site... ONE of them DOES work - LOL!!!

I have some other contacts also for this sort of thing and MIGHT be able to shed some light on it for you... it took me 5 years to track down a good scan of the STONER logo so i could recreate it and finally finish the restore of RICOCHET. I have an email address somewhere that i will post - on this ranch are some 400 1930's machines.. if anyone has seen anything similar or even the same it will be this guy... just give me some time to dig it out as i cant even remember his name or the name of the ranch right now... he was however Russ Jensens very good friend for many years and they collaborated together with their collections.

damn name is on the tip of my tongue....... will get there later....

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Re: 1930's WILLIAMS MYSTERY PINBALL
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 06:14:05 PM »
Hi Retropin, you are a life saver.

I live in Brissy too. The coin slide takes threepences, so has been in use here in Oz for sure.

Have already been in contact with Terry, along with the others mentioned. Terry hasn't given his opinion yet, I think he is still researching and thinking.

I agree, the machine has been taken from the USA and plonked for use in a shop here in Oz. Only the coin slide and anti-tilt cup have been changed out of necessity I suppose. Obviously the paintwork is not original.

It is fascinating to watch how well balanced and laid out the machine is, how smoothly the balls flow through the arches and down the playfield to just the right spot to hopefully release the captured balls. Extremely Art Deco in look.

I tried contact Russ before realising his sad passing. Hope you can find this ranch guy, that would be fantastic.

We'll have to look at each others pingames one day then.

Cheers

Chris

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 06:28:13 PM »
Oh i love this kind of chase!

I kinda get excited when i hear of a 30's pin that was converted to operate in Australia... these are just SO rare! This is pinball in its infancy and to have a machine survive this long in australia is an accomplishment in itself.. these were considered throw away items for many years, but just a few remain.

Now then... the repaint that has occured.
30's pins have a protective layer of lacquer to the outside, if the "artist" did not rub this layer back when repainting with what is always thick enamel, then you may be able to carefully remove it with a glass scraper - the type that has a razor blade as the scraper. Find a point where the enamel has chipped and you can slide the razor between the original paint and enamel. Its a long job, but sometimes you find perfect artwork underneath and the enamel has in fact protected the original artwork... its worth a try!

This guys name WILL come to me... im sure its in an old email listing i have as it was a few years ago.

Also.... can you tell whether the legs are original?? - Take a look inside or post some more pics of inside the cabinet where the legs are... she may be a converted table top as many are

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 06:33:38 PM »
FOUND IT!!!!

Richard Conger - is a great guy that will help all he can... takes him a while to scan through all his machines in the sheds, but he has the largest collection of 30's pins there is.

I have this email for him

r.congers@comcast.net

Good luck!!