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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2008, 01:49:23 PM »
OK, its off without wood or damage!

I put a peice of 1.25" think foam under the transformer just for a test.  A little better.  However the only thing which makes it go away is to disconnect both display speakers!

From before, there was a humm with all speakers removed.  With the foam thats better.

So, I'm guessing there is noise coming into the sound on power somewhere?  I don't care about the G.I noise, just this damm humm.   !!!
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2008, 01:53:31 PM »
Understood, you're fighting 2 battles.

Is the cabinet hum (no speakers attached) really bad?

Maybe the main step is to focus on the speaker hum and fixing faulty supplies etc.

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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2008, 01:56:35 PM »
No.  With foam under the transformer (btw, if I cut it the same size, is it safe to leave under it?) with speakers (only backboard) detached is fine now.

Cab speaker left in, no different.

Once I reattach backboard speakers, loud humm is back.
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2008, 03:48:05 PM »
Depends how hot tranny gets, and if foam is easily melted.
A small sheet of ply/chipboard between the foam and tranny would certainly help.

can u extend backboard speakers and move away from cabinet to see if it improves? (might be too close to tranny?) otherwise it's still sounding like hum in the amplifier audio path.

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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2008, 03:48:48 PM »
What I've done this arvo on this:

  • rather than mount transformer on foam, I've used 4 x post rubbers (blk) under each foot and screwed back in
  • removed sound board, ppb board & power board, sanded and cleaned each pad (for gnd) and re-flowed each and every connector pin

No different....

I havn't bothered with the CPU board as yet as I don't know if it will make any difference.?
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2008, 04:05:45 PM »
At least you've prevented a whoile lot of other problems down the track by cleaning re-soldering on the boards.

Do you have a manual for LAH? if i can check out the schematics i can tell you what to look at.

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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2008, 04:34:29 PM »
Quote from: Marty Machine on December 14, 2008, 04:05:45 PM
At least you've prevented a whoile lot of other problems down the track by cleaning re-soldering on the boards.

Do you have a manual for LAH? if i can check out the schematics i can tell you what to look at.

MM.

The closest I had was these:

http://iobium.com/Pinbxxxx/Data%20East/Service/Data%20East%20Schematics.pdf
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2008, 05:48:00 PM »
 !@# !@# !@# @@^

OK.  ALL boards have been removed, pads cleaned and ALL connector pins reflowed completely.

I am beginning to think perhaps the PSU is causing these issues....I've checked the PSU with the following voltages recorded:

  • - 12vDC is reading -14.68vDC
  • +12vDC is reading 11.51vDC
  • +5vDC is reading 4.97vDC
  • (On CPU board)
  • +5vDC is reading 4.9vDC

I have no idea whether the unbalanced DC can cause these issues.  Game is functioning 100% however will need to be cleaned up...
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2008, 06:14:27 PM »
Those readings seem to be in spec enough, although the -12 (being -14) might have AC riding on it.

Can you measure AC volts with your meter? measure ALL those supplies again on the AC setting, and see what you get.
I would hope all supplies only show something like .2v (200mV) or preferably less.

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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2008, 07:46:34 PM »
I tested as suggested on the CPU board.  With the DMM set to X.XX on AC I got readings of 0.02vAC on the -12v and 0.25vAC on the +12.  On the board (at the test points) it states unregulated so I don't know if this is a good indication.  On the +5v on the CPU board I got readings of 0.00vAC.

There has to be something worn / not working somewhere as Mark's LAH at the factory is 80% quieter than mine...

Hmmm...
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2008, 08:29:36 PM »
All looks good, nothing to be alarmed about.

Can you measure volts on your sound board, both DC and AC.

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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2008, 08:45:52 PM »
Quote from: Marty Machine on December 14, 2008, 08:29:36 PM
All looks good, nothing to be alarmed about.

Can you measure volts on your sound board, both DC and AC.

MM.

I will have to do tomorrow night.  Been doing stuff all day and had enough for tonight..Don't want to break stuff as this usually happens when I'm tired.

FYI...Everywhere I google on RGP etc about this issue, the number one thing is grounding.  Now, all board screws are in tight...Just for shits n giggles, I put the DMM on buzz and tested all grounds I could reach, within backbox & to earth pin on power plug.  No problems located and it appears that ground is getting from backbox to earth pin on power.
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2008, 07:19:59 PM »
Hiya,

OK voltages are the same as above tested on TP's on PSU.  AC checked out the same as well on the +/-12 & +5v.

After looking at schematics all day, I also replaced all 470uf 25v caps on sound board.

Fired her up, same.

The problem is the more I try to fix it, the more annoying this noise is getting.  I am now completely out of ideas. So unless its dirty power coming from the PSU I'm stumped.
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2008, 09:54:31 PM »
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Re: Sound buzz (noise) on D.E
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2008, 12:48:30 AM »
Yep, i read a similar article recently about turning down the gain of the audio amp.

As much as this 'bandaids' the problem, it's not really a fix.

There's still a reason WHY the amplifier (at original high-gain) is so succeptable to picking up the hum and passing it thru.

Call me old fashioned, but i like to ELIMINATE problems, not cover them.  &&

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