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Offline ajlaird

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2010, 08:14:34 AM »
Yes, an auction is legally binding but not having read eBay's rules who knows if there are escape clauses.

The difficulty with trying to force someone to pay for an auction they had won would be multiple, but if you were really annoyed the option could be pursued.

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2010, 09:49:23 AM »
Ive walked away from some large purchases on ebay, nothing happens, you dont even get negative feedback anymore from sellers, thats great!

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2010, 03:21:04 PM »
One of the biggest problems with most pins listed on ebay, is that almost all of the pinball auctions are seen as rigged. I would find it difficult for anyone to say that the general consensus of most people out in thepinball world wouldnt agree.

99 cent auctions are usually bidded up by "friendly bidders" to around the $1300 amount etc. Does anyone honestly think, that a machine worth around the 2 grand amount isnt going to sell between say $1700 and $2200. A ten day auction is 9 days teasing, with 1 x day of reality.

I want to share some recent experiences with you.

I had a friend who wanted to sell some machines (lets say over a dozen). He had all the problems Oscar was having, for arguments sake.
I told my mate, to list the machine at $2500 with a "Make an Offer" part. I said to do this with all his pinballs. I said it will sort out the wankers and time wasters, and only reasonably serious buyers will start offering around the $1700 to $1800 mark upwards.
The results, he had, of the dozen listings done this way, three quarters of the machines snapped up within a 2 or 3 day period, all offers were around the $2 grand mark to $2200 if he had a buy it now price of $2500. In some cases, people offered the full amount provided he shipped the item "as included".
 What did all this prove, dont waste 10 days with 99 cent auctions, which wont sell for 99 cents obviously. Show people you are willing to sell the item "today", when people think they might miss out with someone else hitting the "buy it now" button, or the "make an offer" button with a realistic and close offer.

List machines which are missing major unavailable parts as a parts only machine, not a pinball machine, cause a machine missing major, un available parts is not a pinball machine anymore, it is only a batch of parts. Thats my take on why so many pinball listings are failures. People dont trust any seller who meaningly leaves out information that a buyer "would have liked to have been told".
The pinball industry needs a big clean up in my opinion.
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« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2010, 03:33:33 PM »
Definitely tend to agree with your thinking there Cavey. *%*
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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2010, 04:38:32 PM »
99 cent auctions are usually bidded up by "friendly bidders" to around the $1300 amount etc.

But Caveman, I am pretty sure the original post was meant to claim the exact opposite point - that these auctions were bid up by fake bidders trying to interfere with the auctions, rather than being shilled.
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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2010, 08:17:07 PM »
There is no such word in the English language as 'bidded' - the plural of Bid is 'Bid'   %.%
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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2010, 10:20:30 PM »
I know what you're saying but I reckon if someone had the balls and the will then they could enforce it. You could at least start legal proceedings that hopefully will make the buyer shit himself into handing over the cash.
You're probably right, although I am pretty stubborn and even then I still couldn't be bothered.

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« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2010, 11:36:36 AM »
99 cent auctions are usually bidded up by "friendly bidders" to around the $1300 amount etc.

But Caveman, I am pretty sure the original post was meant to claim the exact opposite point - that these auctions were bid up by fake bidders trying to interfere with the auctions, rather than being shilled.

The point I was making, is that 99 cent auctions mostly dont work. Whether you let it run 100 percent honest or it gets some shill bidding.
And heres the best point, if a seller gets his mates to shill or friendly bid the item up n up n up, and when they just push the bidding that little bit too far, and then they blow the genuine bidders out of the auction, and then the seller wins his own auction, or one of his mate wins it accidentally, what are some sellers/they going to claim next ?
1. FAKE EBAY BIDDERS
2. BUYER REFUSED TO PAY - RELISTED

List pins with "Buy it Now" with "Make an Offer" and you cancel out all the bullshit. Now, do you see where i was going.  ^^^

Buy it now auctions with make an offer cant be fiddled with like the 99 cent auction time wasting con jobs.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2010, 11:55:26 AM by Caveoftreasures »
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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2010, 08:27:03 PM »
If a "fake bidder" wins an auction, they are legally obliged to follow through with the purchase. Shill bidders on the other hand can be prosecuted by law as it is a highly illegal practice.

Question for Oscar: Have you considered legally forcing the fake bidders to follow through with their purchase?

Ebay would never force or allow a buyer to be forced to pay, short of taking someone to court, it wont happen.
There is no legal obligation for a buyer to go through with the sale, you can't force someone to pay for anything they don't want.
Realistically it is just easier to move on a re-list, hoping the buyer doesn't decide to leave you bad feedback just for the hell of it.
I sold an item ( a lousy $15 dollars worth) that got stolen before I could send it, I immediately refunded the buyers money, profusely apologised and left them excellent positive feedback, yet they still saw fit to leave me neutral feedback 3 weeks after the auction end, and Ebay wouldn't do a thing about it.
Ebay is for buyers, sellers are just a necessary evil ripe for the fleecing as far as Ebay is concerned.


I have over 1100 feedbacks...sold many more,, and l 100% agree with this statemant..
Ebay is for buyers, sellers are just a necessary evil ripe for the fleecing as far as Ebay is concerned.


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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2010, 04:20:16 PM »
Hey Oscar, how did you know this guy was a fake bidder because I see you relisted the game 3 days after the first auction ended. I usually give the buyer around 1 week to respond before I smell something.

Here's the first auction won by the fake bidder:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320559385178

And here it is relisted 3 days later:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320563628755

By the time you lodge non-paying bidder reports etc. with eBay usually more than 1 week has passed.

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2010, 09:33:56 PM »
Can't speak fpr Oscar but I can say I have moved two games this week.  1 sold off ebay, luckily for me had a person negotiate a sale before a norwegian with 0 feedhback took my BIN.  I had sold it prior 10 mins before and was about to take it from ebay.  The norwegian took it in that time.  His first correspondence was for me to pay a deposit to his shipping agent. The first email was absolute shit which confirmed the obvious.  I reported it to ebay.  If I hadn't sold it elsewhere I could have relisted and tried to sell again.

The moral is there will be shill bids around but there are far more scammers who will wreck the integrity of any auction.

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2010, 09:38:19 PM »
The moral is there will be shill bids around but there are far more scammers who will wreck the integrity of any auction.

Who mentioned anything about shill bids? I just want to know how you can tell a fake bidder so quickly after auction end.

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2010, 09:40:41 PM »
Can you not pick it up from my comment about the norwegian?

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2010, 09:48:07 PM »
So the question remains...did the fake bidder contact Oscar before the item was relisted?

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Re: Fake Ebayers
« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2010, 09:50:29 PM »
Your question was how did he know he was a fake bidder?  I gave an example of how he might.