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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #765 on: October 21, 2012, 09:00:03 PM »
Ant has been reposting all emailed updates within a few hours of Jack sending then
Sinks reposts anything posted on Pin side

I believe the front of the cabinet is not what it will be when production starts

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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #766 on: October 21, 2012, 10:05:43 PM »
I have noticed a few WOZ product changes ???  !@#

There are NO green metal hand protectors on the machine anymore, and ALL pictures of all cabinets at the JJP factory have no recessed area for the start button. It looks like the start button will stay the same, surface mounted ?  Cabinet hand protectors are gone ???
Recent machine display at Pinball Expo shows these items mentioned.

Obviously, JJP would be also adding the card swipe hardware to the cabinets at some stage, AND there is NO tournament button like on STERN machines.

Anyone else notice any changes/additions/removals ??  !@# !@#
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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #767 on: October 21, 2012, 10:37:39 PM »
the standard looks smart with the LE even better........
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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #768 on: October 22, 2012, 01:09:12 AM »
The cabinets have a thick coating of clear hence the brilliant shine , it's pretty much bullet proof .I'm 99% sure it will not have any protectors because you will not need them .
I'll be slapping some thin Mylar on mine anyway , it will stop the Munchkins leaving grim around that area .

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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #769 on: October 22, 2012, 07:04:46 AM »
Hey Ant, the standard cabinet appears to have less colour is it a black and white image with the toned down yellow brick road and little bits of colour - just seems different.
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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #770 on: October 22, 2012, 08:17:25 AM »
It's should be the same cabinet ,it's the trims and topper ( eye candie) that are different and a few other bits and pieces that make the LE .
He could easily assemble a WOZ in between a batch of ECLEWOZ or vice versa .

 

 

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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #771 on: October 22, 2012, 11:27:09 AM »
I only just noticed, Jack and his daughter were standing in the background during that interview watching the guy play etc.

Have a look at the last 10 - 20 seconds of the video to see Jack standing there wearing jeans with a A4 piece of paper in his hand next to his daughter.
Did anyone else notice Jack was watching ?

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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #772 on: October 22, 2012, 11:41:31 AM »
ANT put this video up before, but its the BEST video I have seen to date.

The graphics on the games LCD of Dorothy getting captured are amazing. You get to see the flying monkey capture the ball, and a door open on the spinning house ? which I havent seen before, plus alot of other stuff if u watch very closely.

Also, watch from the 7.30 min mark, this thing has been designed like a Pin2000 with all boards in a lock box inside the bottom cabinet, with the software LCD service screen just like Pin2000. This game looks VERY expensive to build, very very expensive and hard because there is no room at all. Amazing quality. Who would have thought all boards were in the bottom of the main cabinet ?  !@# !@#



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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #773 on: October 23, 2012, 04:00:51 AM »
The official answer is no answer

An email today gives no indication of a date

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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #774 on: October 23, 2012, 08:23:08 AM »
Is it No , you will not see  it by Xmas ?

I copied this from JJP forum .Its a bit of a read but interesting .

I can add a few things I didn't know before hand.
Keith answered my question about software progress - essentially the
software mix is 2/3 foundation and 1/3 game specific.
In other words, the operation system, I/O interface for the board set, the
diagnostics and switch communcation etc. that will be the foundation of JJP
o/s 1.0 (my label, not KEF) and reusable for game 2,3 etc.
so 2/3 is game rules, light shows, animations, etc. specific to OZ,
including choreography of music and video to go with game play modes, etc.   
I would guess Keith is maybe
I'd say after playing the game, that the foundation is about complete, so
say 70% of the code for Woz is foundation and about done.
As Keith posted earlier, the game specific stuff will come quicker with
each passing month.  Its further along than it was at PPE, and I'm sure the
IAAPA deadline of having games ready for the biggest distributor show of
the year is only 3-4 weeks from now.  Essentially that is a deadline where
KEF is pushing to get many more features than a multiball mode and a few
animations, up to a lot of the score and animations and maybe even some
more modes by then.  At the chat, KEF said the ruleset was put on paper
about March of 2012.  So he has had the gameplay plan design fairly solid.   
From what I'm seeing when playing, I'm guessing about 1/3 of the game
specific stuff is done.  I.e. a third of the remaining third of the code,
so its about 80% complete.
But this last 20% is where Keith really works his magic ala simpsons and
LOTR depth of modes, multiballs etc.  Again the 20% estimate is my number,
but putting together some of the fireside chat answers, and talking to KEF,
I'd say that's a good guess.
The physical game is complete, per Jack during the fireside chat.  OTher
than a few spotlight features, its all one there.
The crystal ball - an 8 yr old asked the question - so just just smilled
for about 20 seconds and knew he had to answer the kid.  SO..... it will be
a great light show of some kind.  That's all you'll get guys until you open
the box.  He did say the team is doing something incredible and said they
can make it work....  I'm guessing we aren't talking about color changing
palantir.
I did see the connectors while the head was being raised as games were set
up.  Essentially its power and connector for LCD, and power and connector
for lights - done.  You can remove 6 bolts for the hinges and move the game
separately of head v. body.  Its a heavy game too - you can shake it, but
don't pull a muscle!!  Its solid.  Jeff, the super secret cabinet guy, was
introduced at the fireside.  He and his wife were at the show.  He is a
super craftsman, and between charlie on printing and Jeff on cabinetry and
clearcoat - its amazing piece of furniture for the pinball game - I mean
stunning.  Both in the artwork beauty and feel of the finish for sure, but
its a solid piece of cabinet work.
Joe Granner had a lot to say about the scoring.  He has spent a lot of time
on orchestration and it very happy with the results.  The abilities of the
hardware are leaps ahead of anything.  The sound is clean turned at top
volume, and he and KEF have tested.  It will bounce the floor if you want
it too.  The voices are very good.  Dorothy sayings like the forest is dark
and creepy, and only being armed with this basket, do hit that 1/10th of a
second (as Joe said in the chat) where you give it the benefit of the doubt
that it could be the real voice - and that's all it takes.  The tin man and
witch are especially spot on.
NO JOURNEY IS THE REWARD speech was ever heard.  Glinda now says follow the
yellow brick road, and its quite good.  The Wizard is also excellent.  The
lion doesn't come up very often, but his lines are pretty good - you won't
be distracted that it doesn't sound exactly like Bert Lahr.  The score is
awesome, and we are only hearing a small percentage of the total available
for KEF to work with.  We may have seen and heard maybe 3-5% of the
material in the video we've seen so far.   
Animations - unreal. Just dorothy being captured and when she faces you
jumping over the log in slo-mo, its awesome.  The witch flying a black
smoke trail spelling GAME OVER is wonderful.  There will be some really
cool back-story of how they got the witch animations done - watch the movie
and you'll notice there are no real full face shots of Margaret Hamilton -
profiles and brief offscreen shots made it tough to do loops - not like the
iconic dance move of the tin man or scarecrow, or the lion doing their
thing - those loops work well in the upper right main split screen you see
most of the gameplay time.
Body armor is gorgeous. The games were set up next to each other at a
slight outward angle.  I got a pic of the both sides of the cabinet in one
shot - I'll try to post as its kind of cool to see the two side cabinet art
panels in the same view.
One more fireside chat note was that both games 2 and 3 artwork has already
started.  The titles are decided, but not the order of whether the license
or unlicensed theme will come first.  From Jack's answers during the chat,
its clear we won't hear a title until after game 1 ships - but I'm hoping
we are seeing games in December, and with 1/1/2013 being the two year
anniversary of JJP.......???
Gameplay and crowd reaction post is in the Expo thread.  I spent all 3 days
at expo, and a lot of time watching people's reactions and seeing both the
number and mix of people it attracted.  I asked a few here and there what
they thought, and players, novices, girls, kids, families - all loved it.   
And to the post about operators getting line-jumping, not what I heard Jack
say.  I heard that LE and standards will be built on the same line, and
Jack wants to get them in the wild, but also that the order date is the
priority queue positioning, with consideration to shipping to
concentrations within a geographic area if it makes sense - nothing that
Jack hasn't said before, and its the same story, not a waffling.   
I would guess (and its a total guess, not Jack's answer in the chat) that
some operators will put the LE version in the wild.  The "operators first"
was taken out of context a bit.
The tech guys are going to hold seminars for operators around the country
on servicing and operating the game.  The manual will be like none you've
ever seen - they guy writing it is a long time pinall owner and service
tech who knows what he didn't like about the hard to read circuit board and
connector clues, to the inability to easily identify replacement parts,
etc. that the manual will be a collective knowledge and improvement of what
you have always wanted when reading those gottlieb or bally/williams
manuals of the 70's 80's or 90's.  Plus the LCD is a lot of real estate to
help you dignose and help visualize servicing the game.  On screen
tutorials for showing what leads to use on the multimeter and where to put
the black and red leads and meter settings... anyone? - so instead of fine
print trying to find TP1 TP2 TP3 etc on the board schematic, how about just
show it on the screen? I think that would be cool, and I'm sure the team
has lots of those types of surprises for us.
The most obvious observation from hearing from the guys was the passion and
the pride they had in the development and end result.  Every detail.  No
worries from me, and happy to be in at the beginning.
Dan Garrett


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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #775 on: October 23, 2012, 08:54:36 AM »
I don't know how to copy/paste on the mobile, but " we are working as fast as we can, game is full of new and innovative stuff, it will be awesome"

No date

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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #776 on: October 23, 2012, 10:43:07 AM »
I don't know how to copy/paste on the mobile, but " we are working as fast as we can, game is full of new and innovative stuff, it will be awesome"

No date

When they are ready ship,who will be the first to get one if they use the time table of when you paid your deposit.

Paid mine on 7.1.2011 and on 10.5.2011.Just curious as it will be about two years before it arrives. !!! But at least it coming *%*
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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #777 on: October 23, 2012, 11:09:43 AM »
I don't know how to copy/paste on the mobile, but " we are working as fast as we can, game is full of new and innovative stuff, it will be awesome"

No date

When they are ready ship,who will be the first to get one if they use the time table of when you paid your deposit.

Paid mine on 7.1.2011 and on 10.5.2011.Just curious as it will be about two years before it arrives. !!! But at least it coming *%*
I signed on 4 days after Ant made the announcement
My invioce number puts me in the first 100

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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #778 on: October 23, 2012, 01:36:49 PM »
 !@#  Did u notice how the email says basically that machines will ship according to geographical location considerations etc ?

That basically means, that JJP will be building games in country code batches ofcourse, just like Stern does. There is no other way to build them other than this way using common sense, unless he has 2 or 3 production lines running at the same time, which to my knowledge, there is only 1 production line being built. Obviously, the country who has the most orders (USA) will get done first (or a large part thereof) then the next largest country and so on, or at least enough made per country to make it worthwhile to start n stop the production line this way using the different power supply arrangements etc..

It doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things the way I see it, cause it means the USA customers will get the first series of machines, and by the time they have fixed all the hassles, made some production and hardware changes etc, Australian owners will be getting machines with all the hassles ironed out of them. This is good news, not bad news the way I se it. Aussie WOZ buyers will then be able to pick up a machine fully knowing it wasnt one of the first batches, which will give most of us less sleepless nights not having to worry about hassles like Stern had on the first AC/DC LE models with the bell optos etc, which later customers didnt have to go thru.

WOZ is on the home stretch now anyway.
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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #779 on: October 23, 2012, 02:00:25 PM »

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I signed on 4 days after Ant made the announcement
My invioce number puts me in the first 100
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Same here,my first invoice number is 87.Will be hopefully shipping both direct from Jack to Perth when their ready.

After Christmas will suit me. #@#
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