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Aussie Pinball Forums => Pinball Trader => External sales (ebay, Gumtree, Trading Post etc) => Topic started by: RottyGuy on December 31, 2011, 03:39:51 PM
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Would anyone really pay $12 500 for this game ? Or would a buyer spending this sort of money be more inclined for one restored to factory standard ?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ATTACK-MARS-/110801748249?pt=AU_CoinOp&hash=item19cc4c8119
Either way, stunning machine, but a lot of money.
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Alot of $$$ for this title
I know what he paid for this pin when he brought it from Zaxs a few months ago
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a lot of work, parts and time to complete...
and then site it in a pub *!@
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a lot of work, parts and time to complete...
and then site it in a pub *!@
+1,i had to read the add a couple of times to make sure i understood it in regards to the pin being put on site.Machine looks great and maybe someone will fork out the dollars,but how good will it look in a few months after being on site,does not make sense to me to put all the work into it and to do that ^&^.
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I really do not like the colored saucers
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I played this yesterday. I actually met him there as well - seems a very nice and reasonable guy and said that he spent a good month on it doing the restore and curently doing up a few others.
I know he paid $4.5k a little while ago for the original machine and then pimped this machine out, better than NIB - new playfield, cabinet painted, new cabinet decals, painting all the aliens, all the saucers have led kits, where you hit the mother ship has like run way style led kits along the sides, chromed rails and lockdown bar, powdercoated legs, leds in the backbox for the eyes of the aliens, subwoofer kit, shaker kit, full leds and he is putting in a green shade to the display as well all new of everything and it was only sited 2 days ago. This machine lights up like a xmas tree even has epileptic warning sticker on it. It is an amazing machine but one I never could afford but he aims at the collector and his machines show up regularly just recently - WH20 a few weeks ago for $5.5k and a Tron LE for around the $9k.
If anyone is around play it before it goes.
Out of my budget.
Forgot to add - it has the mirror sides on the inside of cabinet and the back decal above the playfield. Just played his Iron Man today which was also pimped out. Check out this thread on a few photos I posted of his Iron Man. Next to it is a pimped Spiderman - blue painted items not quite my thing but the Iron Man looked awesome.
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=7670.msg101299;topicseen#msg101299
He also operates as LA Games putting a heap of machines in pubs around Newcastle and Sydney, with most being pimped out to varying degrees and then seems to on sell them within 3 months from what I have watched.
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Good to see an operator put quality machines on site.
Great game, will be interesting to see whether it sells for these $'s
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I think the saucers are garish, and the martians look best, well, green like they came. Chrome looks nice though. I suspect someone will pull the trigger on this game but sure doesn't appeal to me, kinda ruins the look of it for me.
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Stunning machine for sure but wouldn't it be cheaper than 12.5k to find a ok afm for fair $$$ and send it down to tim at hotrod for the treatment?
IMO he is dreaming at that price but it is a beauty and someone may be prepared to shell out that sort of mullah for it.
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I have seen good AFM's sell for $5000 to $6500. If u are desperate, up to $8,000 for something that looks like BNIB.
Personally, I have played both, and I like a Pin2000 Revenge from Mars, more.
$12,5000 for that Ebay machine is crazy money. Will it sell for that, ?? crazy things always happen. Ya never know !
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Brett , think you added a extra 0 there
still new playfield , new decals and so much other work done it should get close to asking price
they do sell with playfield wear for under half that , seen a couple sell last year
still rate as a top 5 pin ever made
RFM is growing on me but sorry Bret comes a long way behind AFm for me
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just spoke to a mate in QLD who sold a jap delivered AFM for 9 grand, and it sold very quickly apparently. seems people will pay $$ for a AFM.
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just spoke to a mate in QLD who sold a jap delivered AFM for 9 grand, and it sold very quickly apparently. seems people will pay $$ for a AFM.
very few come up for sale
most of us hang onto them
with new playfields around again , the ones with playfield wear will go up as you can replace it
i think most parts you can now get , you could probably build your own from another wpc95 if you really wanted to
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A new AFM playfield just went for $1700us on e-bay
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$12500 is a very serious amount of moolah... anyone that pays this for any pinball be it blinged with LED, polished to mirror or gives blow jobs has either so much money that it has no real value anymore, or has rocks in their head... ridiculous asking price
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$12500 is a very serious amount of moolah... anyone that pays this for any pinball be it blinged with LED, polished to mirror or gives blow jobs has either so much money that it has no real value anymore, or has rocks in their head... ridiculous asking price
Pinballs giving blow jobs......maybe 12.5k is cheap. Site it and watch the cash roll in......... :lol
:D
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i know a bloke who just bought a cactus canyon, a monsterbash, and a attack from mars and dint get any change from $35,000 (yes 35 grand).
funny thing is his wife left him over it. now he had the money, but you can see why the wife thought he was nuts. i think there are ALOT of far better titles than the 3 above for alot less coin.
in a competition, i would put my Starship Troopers up against all 3 titles above, and i reckon the majority of people would take the Troopers pin anyday over those 3 for gameplay and a insane audio/dot matrix animations/ unreal multiball etc etc. but thats just me. $12,500 for ANY pinball machine is starting to get towards the finatical point of view. but then again, people who buy x-box'es must think any person who hands over a few grand for a 15 yr old piece of wood with wires running thru-out it is also crazy/finatical ? where does the nutty/finatical start, at 2 grand, 6 grand , 12 grand. i guess its all relative to income really. :D !@# !@#
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35k on 3 pins...wow. :D to the extreme!
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If I was going to spend that sort of cash, not that I personally ever would, I would want it restored to original like eltimbo does.
The mods on that look terrible, especially those saucers, I cant see an extra $9k of work in a PF swap and some paint, but good luck to him !@#
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Certainly some work installing new parts has gone into the machine. The eBay history shows purchases of rubber kits O/S, ROM's O/S etc for the AFM.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/220758399716
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/110767262633
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/260472010545
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160674832673
I didn't see where the cabinet art was from....Hopefully its not the local inkjet knockoffs. If they are Wayne's next gen then they will last no problems.
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Certainly some work installing new parts has gone into the machine. The eBay history shows purchases of rubber kits O/S, ROM's O/S etc for the AFM.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/220758399716
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/110767262633
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/260472010545
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160674832673
I didn't see where the cabinet art was from....Hopefully its not the local inkjet knockoffs. If they are Wayne's next gen then they will last no problems.
Great detective work!
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I'm going to hav to make an effort and get to the Cricketers Arms before it goes.
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I certainly appreciate the amount of time that goes into these types of restores and the parts costs add up so quickly.
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I certainly appreciate the amount of time that goes into these types of restores and the parts costs add up so quickly.
Absolutely.. same as cars... can buy a whole one or parts from the wreckers and pay 10X the price
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I didn't see where the cabinet art was from....Hopefully its not the local inkjet knockoffs. If they are Wayne's next gen then they will last no problems.
They look like Treasure Cove's who made them under sub license from BallyPinball (Wayne) at the time: (Allen at TreasureCove scanned a cabinet and then had them stitched together, corrected in Photoshop/Illustrator and screen printed):
http://www.treasure-cove.net/AttackfromMars.htm
The seller has another set available which shows the instruction text on the coin door decal the same as TreasureCove's above:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Attack-Mars-5-Piece-Cabinet-Art-/110801755032?pt=AU_CoinOp&hash=item19cc4c9b98
You can watch a vid of TreasureCove making the screen printed decals for AFM here:
http://www.treasure-cove.net/images/screenprinting/AFMprinting.wmv
There is another set (which has been currently unavailable for a couple years now) was made by PhoenixArcade under license from IPB, these sets were made using the original films from Bally/Williams. I have one of these sets on mine.
Price comparison to a HEP restored machine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Attack-Mars-Pinball-machine-Rare-High-End-Pin-restoration-/150730101142?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231836d196
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like someone said with another listing, one seller advertises a title for X amount, then everybody advertises their title at the same amount.
so does that mean every listing for a AFM that is in great condition will be asking $12,500 ? !@# probably, but 99.99 percent of collectors just will not pay that much.
BUT its A VERY NICE machine.
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I reckon id be physically sick were i to hit the But It Now button at $12.5K... i know id be divorced!!
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i know a bloke who just bought a cactus canyon, a monsterbash, and a attack from mars and dint get any change from $35,000 (yes 35 grand).
funny thing is his wife left him over it. now he had the money, but you can see why the wife thought he was nuts. i think there are ALOT of far better titles than the 3 above for alot less coin.
in a competition, i would put my Starship Troopers up against all 3 titles above, and i reckon the majority of people would take the Troopers pin anyday over those 3 for gameplay and a insane audio/dot matrix animations/ unreal multiball etc etc. but thats just me.
Wow, maybe that was his plan... well done I say hope he was in AUS..
better game than CC, MB & AFM , that Sega pin sure is underated
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Why do you hope he was in oz?.... you snagging the missus or chasing the pins?He has rocks in his head if this story is true and someone will be picking up some bargains down the rd on some very over-priced cookies, esspecially cc that game is a Turd with a capital T.
Not one of those three pins is worth 12k on its own so why would you pay 35k for the 3 of them?
Surely you would be after a package deal to compensate for the obvious fact that your brain is a quarry!
:D
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....in a competition, i would put my Starship Troopers up against all 3 titles above, and i reckon the majority of people would take the Troopers pin anyday over those 3 for gameplay and a insane audio/dot matrix animations/ unreal multiball etc etc. but thats just me.
...better game than CC, MB & AFM , that Sega pin sure is underated
ST is fun and likely one or if not the best Sega, but there's a reason the market pays a premium for games like those three.
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Listing ended as item is no longer for sale. Seller does this all the time. I think it's all part of advertising his business. Why else would you
keep listing pins at such high prices and then pull the listing.
Good luck to him. The pins are all in fantastic condition, but he's always going to lose out considering the amount of time, effort and money invested
into these pins.
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he actually sold the machine outside of ebay via an offer made probably to avoid the ridiculous fleabay / paypal fees. Same as the scared stiff a few days ago. Luke's a nice guy who is very helpful - just bought a custom iron man off him tonight at a good price.
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*Off Topic* Congrats on the iron man purchase Swinks. ^^^ *%*
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he actually sold the machine outside of ebay via an offer made probably to avoid the ridiculous fleabay / paypal fees. Same as the scared stiff a few days ago. Luke's a nice guy who is very helpful - just bought a custom iron man off him tonight at a good price.
Well done on the Ironman.
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Two months on I thought I might update this post I felt it worthwhile for the information of other members.
To keep to the facts, a customer of mine purchased the machine based on the description and attached images in the original for sale ad.
Upon arrival the purchaser noticed issues with the flippers (weak and sticking). The machine was delivered to my workshop and I inspected the machine thoroughly against the description being 'High End Restoration', over 100 hours work etc.
Conversations / emails then took place between my customer and the seller Luke and the transaction was reversed.
Below are images of the cabinet and decal job:
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/60b3bca6.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/6f7f321b.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/ceb15929.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/a4b419ca.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/507dcd9d.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/70d3a30a.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/973645fc.jpg)
Machine advertised as having a brand new DMD:
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/25af6b85.jpg)
Condition of the cabinet and wiring from the 'modifications'
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/3222eea3.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/7d0c46b4.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/029a8cd4.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/5f9496e2.jpg)
Modifications held in with electrical tape
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/34af02fa.jpg)
Wiring looms on underside of playfield (no heat shrink, just electrical tape) - note lamp wires coming from pop bumpers. Some wires just exposed.
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/4467f6ba.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/70c44bf0.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/8088df85.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/a09d7bf9.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/099955fb.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/0db0e555.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/71f1182d.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/c7e73f27.jpg)
This is either an early Gottlieb or Williams LEAF SWITCH. At least the lower screw was left out so it didn't go through the playfield:
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/56498f05.jpg)
Other playfield switches (holes under playfield)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/429e1db9.jpg)
Earth wires not connected and just left hanging
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/e02c870a.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/650bb48d.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/a457e1b5.jpg)
Some other issues which I personally do NOT equate with a 'High End Restoration'.
Pop bumper brackets (weld repair) not replaced
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/b28bf31b.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/9286e8d3.jpg)
Missing or perished rubber grommits on coils
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/fe78db56.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/3d36bd26.jpg)
Missing glides
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/80f12737.jpg)
Missing screws, wrong bolts, missing nuts
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/515782bf.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/16c08c27.jpg)
Coin door not 'new', evidence of break in attempt
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/5e1f21cc.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/e4404d0b.jpg)
Lane guide on shooter, obviously the bracket has broken at some point, so a standup target bracket used
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/6ab2bfd8.jpg)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/604cfaec.jpg)
Incorrect pop bumper lamp holders - I don't even know what these are off. Globes don't fit properly under cap
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/18f46b10.jpg)
Flippers rebuilt?
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/9349de36.jpg)
Seized coil
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/8809d938.jpg)
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I usually try to avoid taking sides in these types of threads, but having done my own AFM full restoration it beggars belief why you would outlay all that cash on new parts and then do such a slipshod job on the restoration process.
Seeing that filthy wiring loom, incorrect switches and rusty broken bracketry on a brand new $800 AFM Mirco playfield simply makes me ask WHY?
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I have to leave a comment as I have in the past talked up his games - I am sorry for talking this machine up as when I played it, it was a week after the resto (yes depth of resto is questionable) it looked great (yes looked), but I must say having never looked under the bonnet, those photos tells a whole different story. I am actually disappointed with the amount of issues and non standard things that are hidden and would have thought the inside of the cabinet would have looked like other high end machines - trimmed out in black, hardly a spec of dust, everything original etc.
I suppose the difference when I got his IM, it had only done the pub circuit for 18months and then to me so everything looked neat.
I apologize to the person who bought this in the first place if my opinion had assisted in going for it.
I did hear at Pinfest that the sale fell through and that it was returned and he then on-sold it to someone else - hopefully at a lesser price or with everything fixed.
I hope the original owner MartyJ was not mucked around and everything was worked out.
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I have to leave a comment as I have in the past talked up his games - I am sorry for talking this machine up as when I played it, it was a week after the resto (yes depth of resto is questionable) it looked great (yes looked), but I must say having never looked under the bonnet, those photos tells a whole different story. I am actually disappointed with the amount of issues and non standard things that are hidden and would have thought the inside of the cabinet would have looked like other high end machines - trimmed out in black, hardly a spec of dust, everything original etc.
I suppose the difference when I got his IM, it had only done the pub circuit for 18months and then to me so everything looked neat.
I apologize to the person who bought this in the first place if my opinion had assisted in going for it.
I did hear at Pinfest that the sale fell through and that it was returned and he then on-sold it to someone else - hopefully at a lesser price or with everything fixed.
I hope the original owner MartyJ was not mucked around and everything was worked out.
No issues Swinksy. Unfortunately its one of those things and the key lesson is to always inspect a machine prior to purchase (esp at machines over $9k).
One persons view of a work standard is or maybe different to anothers.
As mentioned the transaction was reversed between the seller and purchaser, once he was notified the purchaser was not happy with machine vs description etc, however shipping costs etc are out of pocket expenses.
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Good to hear the seller was prepared to do the right thing - that game is terrible by any standard, and the new decals wasted.
Kudos Swinks for stepping up regarding your original opinion - this was not your fault, but stepping up takes good character.
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Is it just me, OR is this a completely different AFM machine to the first one advertised. ?
That seems more likely than the first one just falling apart like that. The one pictured isnt worth 3 grand. Its a complete wreck.
How the hell did anyone let that go out the door. Something aint right thats for sure.
The buyer must have had a heartattack when that turned up ! Glad its sorted.
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I usually try to avoid taking sides in these types of threads, but having done my own AFM full restoration it beggars belief why you would outlay all that cash on new parts and then do such a slipshod job on the restoration process.
Seeing that filthy wiring loom, incorrect switches and rusty broken bracketry on a brand new $800 AFM Mirco playfield simply makes me ask WHY?
Exactly my thoughts. Looks pretty !
I saw this game in person, and I was shocked at the workmanship. It played like a game straight out of a container. Really disappointing.
I hope whoever owns this machine, purchased it at it's real value, and has the game restored professionally ^^^
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Something does seem odd as I played lukes at the pub (late Dec 2011) and it was amazing to look and play - did this one have blue led flashers leading to the mother ship in the centre.
Though when comparing the trim and items used it does fit - the outside must have down some rounds to pubs ??? scratching my head - just can't believe it.
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Same game unless the door bolts (4 different variations - black, polished, dull and rusted) were removed from this game and placed on the the "other" game !@#
The new display is in this game.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure its the same machine. Bit hard to tell from your photos re the trimming of the cab art and from a distance it looks OK. I understand fully that under macro photography anything can look bad and I'm not trying to be overly picky.
This is a shot from the front. The bolts to the right of the coin door look identical
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/DSCN0647_zpsc2ba065b.jpg)
It does look like the flippers were adjusted correctly from what was on your photos.
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w444/martyjay/Attack%20From%20Mars/DSCN0627_zps28407ca1.jpg)
I invited two well respected people over to play for second and third opinions as well, just so I was not being bias.
I wont post on this anymore due to some other factors which have been posted online.
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I went to Marty's and had a look at this machine and would have to agree with what Marty described
it was not worth the price that was paid, maybe seven grand tops
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there was another machine "mint.collector quality" that turned up here in QLD, that wasn't quite as such..
As usual it is buyer beware and if possible inspect or have someone to inspect for you prior to purchase
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Is it just me, OR is this a completely different AFM machine to the first one advertised. ?
That seems more likely than the first one just falling apart like that. The one pictured isnt worth 3 grand. Its a complete wreck.
How the hell did anyone let that go out the door. Something aint right thats for sure.
The buyer must have had a heartattack when that turned up ! Glad its sorted.
+1 I also would have been pis*ed off if i was the buyer.I can comment though on the LOTR i purchased from the same seller,this machine is in awsome nick and is exactly as advertised.I have gone all over this machine,playfield,cab, under the playfield ect and there are no hacks or anything out of place ect.I am a very happy buyer from this seller and would buy from him again.