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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2010, 03:58:54 PM »
P.S should all fuses be in?

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2010, 04:09:37 PM »
All fuses can be in as you dont have anything else connected  ^^^

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2010, 08:31:21 PM »
Ok turned machine on and lights work which is positive. Tried using multimeter but got no readings, but this very well may be me and the multimeter.

I have taken a picture as there are some loose wires. Can someone tell me where they belong. P.S , when I turned it on there is a hum noise which sounds like an earth leak. (And the lights that came on were the playfield lights)

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2010, 09:40:09 PM »

Missing a Bridge Rectifier. Explained here;

http://www.pinrepair.com/sys37/index1.htm#fuses

You can buy them from PSP or RTBB

Can you read the circuit diagram to install the BR ?
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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2010, 09:47:37 PM »
Thanks Nino. I have no chance in reading that crap lol. I will buy it first as well as some other parts. Would you be interested in coming over one day for an hour (Paid of course) for a once over and to fix some odds and ends?

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2010, 09:59:08 PM »
It looks as if all the required leads are there George.  Buy the rectifier that suits the spade connections and ill take a photo of which color goes where  ^^^ is only 4 wires.    And the transformers all seem to hum but its usually just the steel cage around them  ^^^

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2010, 10:01:57 PM »
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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2010, 10:18:20 PM »
P.S one of the posts that are attached to the spinner is missing. What is this post called as I cant seem to find it.

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2010, 10:31:04 PM »
Not sure what there called but you could use one of the metal posts PSP sells and put a cliffy over it  ^^^

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2010, 10:32:18 PM »
George,

to be frank, I reckon it's madness trying to sort this wirng out without even looking at the wiring diagrms and schematics. My guess is you'll blow something up. 

Honestly it's not that hard, the pic I've put in below is ripped form the power wiring diagram;

Spent some time looking at it - preferably the whole diagram - and seeing what bits are what - the plugs are drawn both pictorialy and as they are wired, 3J1 and 3J2 are the ones in your picture. 3J2 is the 6 pin one with two black wires going onto the bottom two pins numbered 6 and 3.  So you can see the colur of the wires - don't rely totally on this as they are for Firepower - and you can see where the wires should be running. Both the black wires run to the negative terminal of the bridge rectifiers - as Nino says you are missing one. The one you've got is under the bunch of wire in the pic - so by following the wires from it, in conjunction with the diagram you'll b get to see where theyshould be going.

The reason the GIO lamps came on is because they are fed in the bottom yellow(ish) area through plug and socket 8P2 8J2.

Grab the power board drawing, it will show you where to measure voltages on the board.

The understanding won't happen immediately and you'll probbaly make a few mistakes, but far less than if you don't try with the diagram at all.  Get all the diagrams in the link I put up, print them out and start scratching notes on them and asking questions - you'll know your machine so much better and probbaly enjoy the experience.
 

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2010, 10:43:48 PM »
Thanks Nino. I have no chance in reading that crap lol. I will buy it first as well as some other parts. Would you be interested in coming over one day for an hour (Paid of course) for a once over and to fix some odds and ends?

Happy to help out, George - Cost you a beer or two !

Firepower is right though - You do need to start to learn the basics - even if you make a start and I can check it for you prior to firing it up.

I can assist in explaining the notes as well.
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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2010, 07:11:45 PM »
Thats it, I am sure we can all work it out.

P.S a friend told me to stop the back glass from flaking, I can clear coat it, is this correct, and is there a particular product I should use?

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2010, 07:44:50 PM »
Thanks for the explanation Dave, it is slowly making sense as you said. We will get this sucker fired up one way or another.

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2010, 07:58:20 PM »
Thats it, I am sure we can all work it out.

P.S a friend told me to stop the back glass from flaking, I can clear coat it, is this correct, and is there a particular product I should use?

Krylon Triple Thick - I've used it before to arrest backglass peeling. Hard to find - usually stocked at spotlight, but I found it here as well;

http://www.birchhaby.com.au/ourrange.asp?cat=11&scat=136#expand

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Re: Williams World Cup (1978) restoration
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2010, 11:43:50 PM »
Hey guys will be doing some work on the machine on Thursday, just a quick question. Would I still get voltage showing on my power board with the multi-meter even though the bridge rectifier is missing, I dont seem to get any voltage showing following what Daniel told me to do.

Also had a closer look at the loose cables and there are 3 black ones and 1 purple cable that will go to the rectifier. do they go in a particular order? Any luck of sending us that pic of yours Daniel?

Cheers