Wizard Of OZ Pinball

[coon82]

Jack still has to make 1000 le's and who knows how many standard WoZ
The WoZ timeline has blown out more tha most people expeted, i am sure some buyers are getting a little antsy
Jack has said that he would prefer to under promise and over deliver. Maybe the 2013 is so that pople wont expect game#2 to ship a few mlnths after game#1

Also, a first for any company is a big deal. So after completion of pinball #1 for JJP you would expect them to ride the wave on a high for some time before marketing another title. Milk it for all it's worth so to speak. Jack has talked up and demonstrated time and time again he's aiming for quality rather than quantity, so I'm not really surprised it's taking longer on the product than some may expect.  After all he's not just building a pinball machine, he's building a company from the ground up.

[Ant68]

Jack still has to make 1000 le's and who knows how many standard WoZ
The WoZ timeline has blown out more tha most people expeted, i am sure some buyers are getting a little antsy
Jack has said that he would prefer to under promise and over deliver. Maybe the 2013 is so that pople wont expect game#2 to ship a few mlnths after game#1

Also, a first for any company is a big deal. So after completion of pinball #1 for JJP you would expect them to ride the wave on a high for some time before marketing another title. Milk it for all it's worth so to speak. Jack has talked up and demonstrated time and time again he's aiming for quality rather than quantity, so I'm not really surprised it's taking longer on the product than some may expect.  After all he's not just building a pinball machine, he's building a company from the ground up.

Well said   

[Caveoftreasures]

Its all still tooo slowwww but.  The second title coming out in december 2013 might be because they have to wait for both the Hobbitt movies to be made and played (which i think the hobbitt title is a bit lame, because its too close to the Lord of the Rings etc, although it will sell if done right etc).

The bit about getting the licence over n above Stern because someone saw what they were doing etc is complete BS because he secured the licence well before he even started the production of WOZ, so it seems Jack is just flying his own flag there. I was told well over 12 /15 months ago about the Hobbitt licence.
* Either way, JJP will need to get this WOZ machine going very quicklly now, because people are getting very fidgetty.  His next release shld be MUCH quicker than Dec 2013, thats a mistake.  So far, STERN is still leading the way with everything else, except the 27inch LCD.

JJP needs to up the anti with new titles, and match Stern with frequency of releases or they will only barely dint the home collector pinny market. No use going for quality if u only release 2 machines in a 3 plus year period. food for thought.   and yes, i still like JJP, but the release date of 2013 december is tooo sloowwww.

[swinks]

Patience..... He has to build a factory, and he is concentrating on a quality machine which starting from scratch is a massive task, plus he is raising the bar on what Stern do in looks, quality and technology - you watch Stern will pump out the machines and then copy to stay in the game and possibly slow down to put more effort into it. And it gives you time to save those pennies.

I am sure once WOZ is in production and flowing out the door it may warrant having 2 design teams running so a third machine will come out the door much faster which is what Stern are doing (running 2 teams one delayed by 3 months after the other). I think Stern need to pick up their game with some more quality toys - swinging band and cannon - you can tell they were designed, made and tested in a week - we are in 2012 and quality needs to be a bit higher than that.

Its all still tooo slowwww but.  The second title coming out in december 2013 might be because they have to wait for both the Hobbitt movies to be made and played (which i think the hobbitt title is a bit lame, because its too close to the Lord of the Rings etc, although it will sell if done right etc).

The bit about getting the licence over n above Stern because someone saw what they were doing etc is complete BS because he secured the licence well before he even started the production of WOZ, so it seems Jack is just flying his own flag there. I was told well over 12 /15 months ago about the Hobbitt licence.
* Either way, JJP will need to get this WOZ machine going very quicklly now, because people are getting very fidgetty.  His next release shld be MUCH quicker than Dec 2013, thats a mistake.  So far, STERN is still leading the way with everything else, except the 27inch LCD.

JJP needs to up the anti with new titles, and match Stern with frequency of releases or they will only barely dint the home collector pinny market. No use going for quality if u only release 2 machines in a 3 plus year period. food for thought.   and yes, i still like JJP, but the release date of 2013 december is tooo sloowwww.

[swinks]

JJP is definitely being professional and getting involved in the pinball community by promoting and sponsoring various shows.

[Strangeways]

I have no problem with the timing of the JPP releases. As mentioned, he is starting from scratch. From a technology standpoint, JPP is raising the bar for Stern to follow. If Stern don't update to LCD, then they will be ones left behind. It will take time for Stern to modify their production line etc etc.

Jack has always been the conduit between Stern and the Operators / Collectors. He knows what people want. His new platform is the key here.

[pinnies4me]

If Stern don't update to LCD, then they will be ones left behind.

Agree they need to do something, funnily it will be another "Monkey see, monkey do" effort from Stern with an LCD copy - just like the days of Bally copies by classic Stern, and WMS copies by DE, there will be no innovation. Why can't they come up with something new? It wasn't rocket science to go to an LCD by JJP. Time Stern comes up with something they can patent, something new and innovative.

[Caveoftreasures]

As a end user, everyone always wants things yesterday ofcourse.

** One question, since JJP is making a widebody now, do u guys want to see more JJP widebodies, or a std body next time, and also, do u want very fast widebodies, or the typical medium paced widebody ??

what playfield shld JJP make next, wide or std ?  

[Ant68]

Copied from RGP

I’m kinda surprised nobody has posted about this yet. Or if they have
I missed it. Some of this you may already know but I didn't.
A few things that caught my attention was:
1. The playfield will be removable just like P2000
2. All of the electronics will be modular and easily disconnected for
service.
3. On the screen behind Jack we saw: “3X scoring with reverse
flippers” for one of the modes.
I am very excited about the reverse flippers. Also the pictures I saw
of the playfield artwork is spectacular. Much better than I
anticipated. And the video modes are unreal.
Lastly, during a private conversation before the seminar, Jack stated
the Rainbow plastic will not be used. Really glad to hear that.

[swinks]

JJP needs to up the anti with new titles, and match Stern with frequency of releases or they will only barely dint the home collector pinny market. No use going for quality if u only release 2 machines in a 3 plus year period. food for thought.   and yes, i still like JJP, but the release date of 2013 december is tooo sloowwww.

I listened to a older Spooky podcast today (second interview on spooky between Charlie and Jack) which was late last year, he said that he does not intend to release more than one game a year as he is focusing on game quality and pleasing the customer.  In addition he said that Nordman has a personal game design partially done and it may also be one of the released games late 2013 but more likely early 2014. He stated that all games will have a LCD and therefore require programming etc which involves a bit of work.

He is a smart guy and said that he hopes to make a few thousand WOZ's especially with a future WOZ movie release.

[Caveoftreasures]

Maybe JJP will make more titles than what they say, and its all a smoke screen for Stern to think they will only do one title a year.
If Stern does 3 or 5 titles a year, and lifts its game with a LCD ? maybe that will leave JJP in the dust.  Another issue, is that if JJP only does one title a year, perhaps Stern will not feel the need to even go to a LCD screen.

Someone raised a good point about the missing artwork/translite artwork being missing when u have a 27 inch screen instead of the standard translite.
We have come to love the great artwork on a translite when the game is turned off. Maybe people will be 50/50 about the LCD screen when it hits the sales floors n people's houses. I still think only 1 game a year is not enough, if they go that way. U cant argue quality because Stern are there now with the ac/dc releases, and things will get even better. the sooner we all see a WOZ in person the better.

p.s - will stern even be able to do 5 titles a year given the bad USA economy ? and the same for JJP, will the bad USA economy support more titles per annum ?

[Pop Bumper Pete]

RE, how many games per year
It depends on who you think your customer base is
it seems to me that Jack is aiming towards the home collector, rather than operators. with the Stern LEs, I am thinking the same with Garry

I do not know about others, but I would be hard pressed to buy two (let alone more ) NIB games in a one year period

[pinsanity]

JJ presentation at Texas Pin Festival.

Playfield artwork sneak peak at :17 sec onwards

Worth watching though just for the stone faced Steve Ritchie

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[Pop Bumper Pete]

I am over'updates'

The only update I want to read about is 'production has begun'

[Strangeways]

I am over'updates'

The only update I want to read about is 'production has begun'

It's like being a kid waiting for Christmas day 

At least there are progress updates. If it is one thing these guys have learned - keep the market updated. Much UNLIKE other efforts to produce or reproduce pinball machines.