Wizard Of OZ Pinball

[Strangeways]

Reports from USA regarding the limited code WOZ's that have been sited is that it way out performs any other pinball for many years. whether this is due to sheer curiosity or that the game genuinely attracts people who just want to play it because it screams PLAY ME is yet to be proven... delays or not, this machine does point a new way forward and the fact that there is so much discussion about it proves just how much it is keenly anticipated.. im sure if Playmatic were to reopen the factory doors there would be nowhere near as much heated debate.

New Kid on the Block will create this kind of interest. Especially considering Jack was Stern's No 1 Dealer before starting JJP.

Half baked unfinished code out performing the current "fixes" and "changes" of "fixes" that "change" things that already worked..

Playmatic, Recel, Euroflip 

[Homepin]

Jacks own words were (to the effect) "this is what we can expect of manufacturing in the USA" - now we find out the boards are actually made in China......

No, no. The board *blanks* were made in China. Unpopulated. The boards are being populated with components, wave soldered, etc, in the USA. They would be allowed to bear "made in USA".

Fair enough - my misunderstanding

[pinnies4me]

I also fully understand that it is the first machine but JJP put themselves in a sticky position by taking peoples money upfront - YEARS upfront.....and then to take money on a second title - please, that's close to fraudulent IMO.

Agree, but there is precedent - Gene with Big Bang Bar was long overdue, but delivered a product better than anything Stern has copied since, and off course we had the MM debacle and the open order form for Cactus Canyon sitting there through it all.

Perhaps we pinheads are just gullible?

[swinks]

lets lighten things up

here is a snapshot of the WOZ rules overview - not everything but something to ponder


it is a great way to show people what to do, looks good, great use of the lcd

[Sunfox]

QUESTION - So if u have a Avengers on site, or a Tron, or a X Men, are most kids, younger people, most adults going to walk past the new well known stuff, and walk up to a 1939 Movie title machine.  

Well, when the pin based on a 1939 movie looks like it was made in 2012, and the pin based on a 2012 movie looks like it was made in 1992... ;-)

[Retropin]

QUESTION - So if u have a Avengers on site, or a Tron, or a X Men, are most kids, younger people, most adults going to walk past the new well known stuff, and walk up to a 1939 Movie title machine.  

Well, when the pin based on a 1939 movie looks like it was made in 2012, and the pin based on a 2012 movie looks like it was made in 1992... ;-)

Fair enough point..

[Homepin]

QUESTION - So if u have a Avengers on site, or a Tron, or a X Men, are most kids, younger people, most adults going to walk past the new well known stuff, and walk up to a 1939 Movie title machine.  

Well, when the pin based on a 1939 movie looks like it was made in 2012, and the pin based on a 2012 movie looks like it was made in 1992... ;-)

Except nothing can change the fact that the theme is GAY (not that there's anything wrong with that) - maybe it appeals to Americans but it just won't have the same appeal here or, I suspect, in EU

[Caveoftreasures]

Swinksy, the green screens look excellent. I think its going to be very popular. I hope the code keeps evolving long after release.
I think it will to get more Hobbitt buyers and future title sales as well.

Sunfox, I hadnt heard that one about a 2012/2013 machine looking like it was from 1992 before.
The only thing is, is if the movie was released in 2012 etc, it would be hard for people to confuse it with something made 20 yrs before ?  

[Sunfox]

Sunfox, I hadnt heard that one about a 2012/2013 machine looking like it was from 1992 before.
The only thing is, is if the movie was released in 2012 etc, it would be hard for people to confuse it with something made 20 yrs before ?  

The point isn't that people might think the machine was actually made 20 years ago, the point is technology has progressed and pinball hasn't kept up. You could give a tween the latest Bieber album on a cassette and it doesn't matter if the content is brand new, because the technology it's on is old.

No matter how much the average pinhead feels that their personal nostalgia trumps all, in an arcade it's the machine's job to attract paying customers. Attention-getting items like a big color LCD screen, bright multi-color LEDs flashing everywhere and a playfield packed solid with 3D toys, will do that better than a tiny monochrome DMD with worse resolution than a 15-year old cell phone, static colored lights, and a barren playfield. In a highly competitive environment, a good theme means nothing if people walk right by you to get to something else that managed to catch their attention first.

[Freiherr]

Sunfox, I hadnt heard that one about a 2012/2013 machine looking like it was from 1992 before.
The only thing is, is if the movie was released in 2012 etc, it would be hard for people to confuse it with something made 20 yrs before ?  

The point isn't that people might think the machine was actually made 20 years ago, the point is technology has progressed and pinball hasn't kept up. You could give a tween the latest Bieber album on a cassette and it doesn't matter if the content is brand new, because the technology it's on is old.

No matter how much the average pinhead feels that their personal nostalgia trumps all, in an arcade it's the machine's job to attract paying customers. Attention-getting items like a big color LCD screen, bright multi-color LEDs flashing everywhere and a playfield packed solid with 3D toys, will do that better than a tiny monochrome DMD with worse resolution than a 15-year old cell phone, static colored lights, and a barren playfield. In a highly competitive environment, a good theme means nothing if people walk right by you to get to something else that managed to catch their attention first.

Sorry, as a player I can not keep my eye on the big color TV screen or the cell phone DMD for longer than 2 seconds. I'd rather keep my eyes on the balls.

Granted, most of Stern development team are ex Williams from the 90's and you can't teach old dogs new tricks. AC/DC is certainly doing something right out there without all the bells (well one) and whistles (well maybe Rosie). There is a pinball resurgence since 2010 which is based on home collector demand and not arcade paying customers. JJP has come in to ride that wave JIT but the resurgence was not created by JJP, he just came in at the right time and I am sure he will make the most of it and give the industry more life.

[goodolddays]

Hey guys .. how about getting this thread back on topic instead of mud slinging ?

[Strangeways]

Hey guys .. how about getting this thread back on topic instead of mud slinging ?

Good point.

The thread has been cleaned up (again). So here's the deal ;

1 - If anyone wants to continue with the same mud slinging, expect a holiday. There are other forums that enjoy that type of BS, but it won't be tolerated on AP any longer. We have had enough reports to ban members based on their behavior. We have been VERY lenient so far. Don't bother sending PMs or emails to mods about us "taking sides" or crap like that. This is no "women's knitting club". It takes two to tango, on both sides of the fence need to pull up equally.

2 - No more linking or posting from JJP forum (which is private anyway). If you want to argue and criticize WOZ or JJP with speculative crap, go do it on their forums. If something OFFICIAL appears on a NEWS website or JJP's Website (not forum) - that's fine. This is a good discussion point.

3 - We installed a new feature called "ignore user". You don't have to use it, but it is there.

Enough is enough people - Even "I" am sick to death with dealing with people who are supposed to be adults. Anyone that posts AFTER this message has read this post and understands the above - so there are NO EXCUSES for posting crap and slinging mud. If this starts up again, there will be consequences.

[RottyGuy]

Where's the mud slinging ? Different opinions more like it.

[Strangeways]

Where's the mud slinging ? Different opinions more like it.

Sorry, you didn't read the crap because I moved it (archived) for the benefit of members who didn't like the insults etc. It does not belong here.

I didn't remove opinions on WOZ, I removed opinions on members.

If someone has an opinion on WOZ being a bucket of crap, or the best thing since sliced bread - then go ahead - say whatever you want. Keep the discussion going - but play the ball, not the man 

[Caveoftreasures]

Where's the mud slinging ? Different opinions more like it.

Sorry, you didn't read the crap because I moved it (archived) for the benefit of members who didn't like the insults etc. It does not belong here.

I didn't remove opinions on WOZ, I removed opinions on members.

If someone has an opinion on WOZ being a bucket of crap, or the best thing since sliced bread - then go ahead - say whatever you want. Keep the discussion going - but play the ball, not the man  

+ 1

I will try n find a link for the JJP Competition - Free WOZ LE - for the correct date/delivery guess. I will look on the JJP Official site for a link.etc  

A good picture I found, below.