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Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #1290 on: April 02, 2013, 01:32:21 PM »
Speculation on how the build process should work, and the constant advise on how it "should be done" is almost to the point of laughable.

Hands up how many members have mass produced an arcade / pinball / redemption machine  #@#

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I think JJP biggest mistake was to take $ for pre orders for their second title.

I think its a fair point Nino since the machines are over 15 months late, and another 2 major deadlines have been missed again, being no machines built n sent out by the end of March, and no computer boards at the end of March, as promised by JJP for many months.

Perhaps if the boards were fully produced in China like was suggested, they would be done by now.? Its a fair question.

I dont think AP members, being able to/or have experience producing a arcade game or a pinball machine has anything to do with it respectfully.
Perhaps, as someone has said, If JJP hadnt of got peoples monies upfront, and they werent sitting on the 7 million dollars already, perhaps these deadlines and dates wouldnt have been moved so often and as much. They would have had a much bigger desire/NEED $$ to get these deadlines met or face massive financial losses, but when you already have 7 million of other peoples monies, maybe you dont perform as well/as quick ? who knows.

The build/design/management process at JJP has clearly gone astray when they are 15 mths late, have only ordered boards in mid January, and are still testing boards and have just missed another public machine build and release date and board intake date.
When things do go wrong, and clearly they have, the only smart thing to do is to wonder/suggest how things should have or could have been done. Sort of reverse engineering problems for next time.
Perhaps someone from the USA may read our collective posts, perhaps they may reword the next board release date, or the next machines build date, and when built machines will be leaving the factory date etc.?

I know another AP member recently told Jack in a open email, via the WOZ forum, that he should be careful and reword what he says, meaning people hang onto his every word, and when things dont happen, people get upset. I guess no one would be discussing the WOZ thing if things werent 15 months late. Just discussing, nothing else. Stern used to be the same, late with designs and machines built substandard, they upset alot of people, lost alot of customers, and have had to claw their way back. No one is perfect in this industry. But these recent missed dates, on some pretty big and repeated often promises, have put the WOZ thing into the limelight. Lets see what happens on the 8th. I want the things to get rolling down the line as much as the next bloke. I want to go to my friends houses, and play their games as much as the next bloke.

I think its normal to discuss both the positives and the negatives. That gives balance. I will be the first to post more positive stuff when the machines start getting thrown into trucks.
  


My point is "Speculation on how the build process should work, and the constant advise on how it "should be done" is almost to the point of laughable."

It is valid as no one here has ever mass produced a pinball, and although some THINK they know the inner working and fiscal position of JJP, all amount to speculation and guesswork to drag the project down. JJP have not released ONE SINGLE title yet, but the detractors line up like vultures to a carcass.  %.%

Stern have been around a lot longer, and STILL make CONSTANT mistakes - designs, software and the general build standard is set by them, and it is a story of success in cost cutting. I'd be more worried about supporting the current stern line up than throwing stones at a newcomer with an obvious better build quality.. Most of my call outs are on late model Sterns that dealers don't / won't repair. Try getting spare parts for a Whitestar MPU (6 weeks and counting)..

So lets keep the negative vibe against a machine that is not even released yet. Let's sweep the constant build issues with their competition under the carpet.  (((
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