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Data East power supply problem
« on: March 15, 2015, 01:16:51 PM »
Hi all,
I have a Data East power supply (520-5047-00) thats playing up  ^&^
The R15 resistor is as hot as hell (finger sizzling lol) & the dmd screen isn't working as a result of the power supply.
I tried the dmd in another machine and it works.

I've replaced allot of parts in the HV section but still no good.

Any ideas ?


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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2015, 01:27:29 PM »
Ideas? Yes.....get a multimeter and start measuring voltages. You cannot "guess" a problem like this and simply shotgunning parts is not a fast, easy or sensible way to find the fault.

These are very simple, regulated supplies so a measurement of all the voltages should reveal exactly what area your fault is in which will narrow it down to a few components.
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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2015, 05:27:37 PM »
Ideas? Yes.....get a multimeter and start measuring voltages. You cannot "guess" a problem like this and simply shotgunning parts is not a fast, easy or sensible way to find the fault.

These are very simple, regulated supplies so a measurement of all the voltages should reveal exactly what area your fault is in which will narrow it down to a few components.
OH yes I forgot to say I tested the voltages  @.@

All is good bar the 68v, is only reading 22v.

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 12:21:39 AM »
Did you already replace D9, 68 volt zener?

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2015, 01:18:18 AM »
Check connector CN1 on power supply.  Make sure no burnt pins or cold joints.

Test for 68 volts DC at Diode D5, banded side positive, negative to ground.

If no/low volts, test/replace the following components in order.
Resistors
R8 - 47K, R11 - 330K, R12 - 1.5K and R15 -500R.

Diodes
D5 - IN4004, D6 - IN5228(3.9v zener) and D9 - IN4760(68v zener)

Transistors
TR1 - MPSA92 and TR3 - MJE340

Also capacitor C10 is important for 68 volts.

The above components comprise the entire 68 volt section of the power supply board.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2015, 01:23:57 AM by Steevsee »

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 12:03:05 AM »
Thanks heaps for the info Steevsee  ^^^

Ok, so I've tested the D5 diode, it was working but I replaced it anyway and tested for 68 volts and got 140 volts  *!@
At the CN5 68 volt pin, its reading 25 volts

R11 - 330k tested to 356k, so that was replaced.
Also R8 & R12 tested ok.

I've replaced: D6 - 1n5228, D9 - 1n4760, TR1 - MPSA92 and TR3 - MJE340

Im waited for caps to arrive for C10 & C11

68 volt test was done after parts were replaced.

Could it be the C10 cap ?

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 01:10:38 AM »
Desoldered the C10 & C10 caps, tested them and both caps test "OL" (over limit)
Not sure if my multimeter is playing funny buggers ?

Hopefully I get the new ones tomorrow  #@#

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 12:28:33 PM »
My bad on the diode voltage reading.
The input volts is 100vdc at the diode and without a load, your reading is probably OK.

Hopefully C10 will improve your output volts.

C11 is part of the negative volts DC circuit, but won't hurt to replace it as well.

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2015, 06:59:18 PM »
The caps for C10 & C11 showed up today, I soldered them in but still no go  *!@

Not sure where to look now ?

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2015, 09:23:47 PM »
So you're still only measuring around 20 volts output?


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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2015, 09:39:15 PM »
Yup, 23v

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2015, 10:12:31 PM »
Just checked circuit again.
Looks like C13 filters the final stage voltage in this circuit.
Seems to be the only other possible candidate. !@#

Edit.
Just realized my JP has the same 68 volt circuit as your board.
Tomorrow I will measure my voltages at various points along the circuit.
This may hopefully help narrow down the problem.

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2015, 10:38:32 PM »
Just checked circuit again.
Looks like C13 filters the final stage voltage in this circuit.
Seems to be the only other possible candidate. !@#

Edit.
Just realized my JP has the same 68 volt circuit as your board.
Tomorrow I will measure my voltages at various points along the circuit.
This may hopefully help narrow down the problem.



Thank would be great  ^^^

I did replace C12 & C13 already, so yeah I'm not sure.
As I said in my first post, the R15 resistor is getting super hot, enough to melt the solder.


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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2015, 10:41:58 PM »
Ill check my R15 Tomorrow as well. ^^^

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Re: Data East power supply problem
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2015, 10:52:41 PM »
Here is a picture of it before I started replacing parts: