Bugs Bunny Reproduction Ramp Quality Discussion

[Caveoftreasures]

Shut up yourself Gavin. Pinballace isn't your wife. He doesn't need you to hold his hand.
These people make personal attacking insults then get butt hurt when u defend yourself because you state something you were told in good faith five years ago.
There is no need for anyone with butt hurt over ramps to take their shit out on me.

The original sentence was about getting a couple of machines fixed with new ramps and some idiots turned it all into butt hurt about ramp molds and the ramp wars the various sellers had years ago.
Tell the people to shut up who hijacked the thread and steered it towards political bullshit and the member who contacted Pinballace to come on and play alpha ramp man over molds and his ramp territory.

Again, a few idiots hijack a thread to start a shit fight.
Grown men ? Yeh right.

Yep.. didn't think so.. have it your way then

Jesus Gavin. You still going on. Have it your way then.
I wanted to cook dinner. Can I have your permission to do that Dad ?

[Retropin]

I gave you good advise Cavey. Not my fault if you cant take it onboard.
But please do take a breath for a moment and ponder the fact that there have been quite a few heated arguments on this forum and you've been part of every single one.
It gets to the point where we ask do you contribute or just cause trouble?.. because in all honesty pal, when you take your breaks, this place gets much better.

[Pop Bumper Pete]

I have explained this
Mark takes a ramp to a factory, they make a mould from an existing ramp
The mold is then taken to another factory, and they make the ramp
The mold is only good for making 20 or so ramps, before the process needs to be started again

Remember, a proper mold takes $10000 to make

I have no problem in him making ramps if the licence holder will not

[Caveoftreasures]

No Gavin.
There are 3 or 4 bullies who think it is OK to personally attack other members.

As soon as I defend myself, the bullies get all nasty because God forbid they have someone stand up to them.

See, you post is a classic example.
You are not talking about pinball, you are talking about another member and making personality comments.
So u have just given a classic example of the problem.

Keep your personal opinions about other members to yourself and there won't be a problem.
You talk down to me like you are on a high horse. I don't want your personal opinion.
It's a pinball site not lifeline. If you want to act like a counsellor , join lifeline and when it comes to me, simply keep your mouth closed and there won't be a problem.

What are u contributing Gavin ? You just keep the cycle going by making personal comments like u have God syndrome. Talk about pinball, not people.
The 4 idiots on here all do the same thing. They meaningless start arguments and then when you defend yourself from the character assassinations, they blame the person who defends himself. Typical bully behaviour.
And when they get told to keep their opinions to themselves, people like u join in with the pack mentality.
Just talk pinball. It's not a dating site so keep away from talking about personalities.
It really is simple. I don't take orders from you Gavin or the other three who get off on putting other people down.
I think people who do this on websites are cowardly cause they would never do it face to face.
Stick to pinball for the 100th time.

And by the way, all the other people who used to get put down by the bullies just left.
I don't run from bullies, I stand my ground.

Stick to pinball Gav !

[pinball god]

I have explained this
Mark takes a ramp to a factory, they make a mould from an existing ramp
The mold is then taken to another factory, and they make the ramp
The mold is only good for making 20 or so ramps, before the process needs to be started again

Remember, a proper mold takes $10000 to make

I have no problem in him making ramps if the licence holder will not

dunno if people are missing my point. You just said let others make stuff if the license holder won't. I find this a problem but I know Stern will not supply me a glass acdc backglass for say a pro. Is it ok then for say Mark to make one or more so I could maybe make fake LE's??? It is not right and if what you have said is correct, then the person has lied to legitimize the transaction.

But I still think you need to ask for permission to produce something a company has paid the rights to and stand by whatever the decision is.

[Pop Bumper Pete]

I also mentioned the proof is in the ramp
Are the sides and floor of the ramp smooth and clean like other B/W ramps?

Or is there a slight buckling/bending of the walls?

[Pop Bumper Pete]

I have explained this
Mark takes a ramp to a factory, they make a mould from an existing ramp
The mold is then taken to another factory, and they make the ramp
The mold is only good for making 20 or so ramps, before the process needs to be started again

Remember, a proper mold takes $10000 to make

I have no problem in him making ramps if the licence holder will not

dunno if people are missing my point. You just said let others make stuff if the license holder won't. I find this a problem but I know Stern will not supply me a glass acdc backglass for say a pro. Is it ok then for say Mark to make one or more so I could maybe make fake LE's??? It is not right and if what you have said is correct, then the person has lied to legitimize the transaction.

I have no idea what is right

Is it OK to take a beat up AFM, put in a Mirco playfield, newcabinet, new sideart for the  cabinet, and still calk it original?

I dont have an answer

[pinball god]

I also mentioned the proof is in the ramp
Are the sides and floor of the ramp smooth and clean like other B/W ramps?

Or is there a slight buckling/bending of the walls?

sorry Pete, not going you, but lets say its not the same quality, it does not make it ok. What stops Cavey selling his game and pointing out all parts are genuine or licensed products. The guy does a clean, see's the ramp, hears pinballace is the licensor and put two and two together and figure his products are shit. The new owner is not at fault, pinballace is not at fault, Cavey is not at fault, so who is???

[pinball god]

Correct me but is Mirco given permission to make his gear. I don't know but assumed he had permission

[Caveoftreasures]

I also mentioned the proof is in the ramp
Are the sides and floor of the ramp smooth and clean like other B/W ramps?

Or is there a slight buckling/bending of the walls?

sorry Pete, not going you, but lets say its not the same quality, it does not make it ok. What stops Cavey selling his game and pointing out all parts are genuine or licensed products. The guy does a clean, see's the ramp, hears pinballace is the licensor and put two and two together and figure his products are shit. The new owner is not at fault, pinballace is not at fault, Cavey is not at fault, so who is???

A few things.
The ramps on my Bugs Bunny are flawless. No one would ever say they are shit and even think about the USA seller cause he doesn't make these ramps to my knowledge. They would say brand new ramps, excellent.
I would tell them where I bought them etc.
They are better than the originals.
Thicker slightly and very clear with no visible imperfections.
I don't know if they were made from an orig mold or a newly made mold but when no one is making them, it doesn't matter. You buy what is available.
When they turn up and they are beautiful and you can make your two games now work you are very happy.

I have aprox 60 different pins by every manufacturer.
Every ramp on every game is unique. All different qualities and all different manufacturers.
A ramp made on an orig mold could be a 2nd and not as good as a repro and vice a versa.
What matters is what comes out of the box on the day you open it and find the new replacement ramps inside.

If selling a machine, people will be happy to have brand new NOS ramps or repro"s over worn originals.
I rarely sell machines so it won't matter to me.

I don't know who makes the best ramps or has the licencing bragging rights etc etc, I just care that I can buy quality at a affordable price and get good customer service.

I have purchased dozens of ramps from one seller and never had an issue. He is VIC based & has his own pin business and also makes ramps. I stuck with him cause he was the only one to go out of his way to make me four ramps I desperately needed.
When I have had doubles of the machines, I once purchased ramps from the states and compared. They looked the same. Many people say a new repro ramp is better than a brittle NOS ramp that's been in a box for 15 or 20 years ? I don't know.
I don't put massive games on my machines so I couldn't make a factual comment.

[RottyGuy]

No Gavin.
There are 3 or 4 bullies who think it is OK to personally attack other members.


And by the way, all the other people who used to get put down by the bullies just left.
I don't run from bullies, I stand my ground.

Stick to pinball Gav !

That's why there will never be more than five or six regular posters. Every second thread turns into an argument and mud slinging contest.

[Retropin]

I have sole permission to make GOTTLIEB cabinet stencils. I bought that right some years back and I am the only provider of GOTTLIEB stencils that have verification of true to original by GOTTLIEB LLC.
This doesn't stop Twisted Pins making GOTTLIEB stencils and selling them... it doesn't stop them selling what was mostly crap.. it doesn't stop people buying them.. which they readily did.
It also does not stop Pinball Pimp copying my stencils with their registration crosses and then selling a host of GOTTLIEB stencils online... it also does not stop them stating that they are seeking permission to sell these stencils.. which they are not - this is an outright lie.
Admittedly, Pinball Pimps stencils are of a much better quality than Twisted pins'... but do they have the right to sell?

NO..

Are they selling?

YES

In all honesty, if the pinball community will readily buy from a pirate retail outlets simply because the rights holder hasn't yet made that stencil file.. or that the rights holder ( for the sake of argument) has had certain manufacturing parts stolen and is therefore unable to offer that part until the goods are returned, then the community digs its own grave.
A restored machine is no longer a restored machine.. its a spruce up.
The phrase " Genuinely restored" would set a level that could only be achieved by using genuine parts.
If you are not going to insist on quality of parts or consistency of product, then we may as well let China make all the parts for us and save a few $$'s

[pinball god]

No Gavin.
There are 3 or 4 bullies who think it is OK to personally attack other members.


And by the way, all the other people who used to get put down by the bullies just left.
I don't run from bullies, I stand my ground.

Stick to pinball Gav !

That's why there will never be more than five or six regular posters. Every second thread turns into an argument and mud slinging contest.

in keeping with the religious theme of late, 'praise the lord' I have found another with concerns

[Caveoftreasures]

Are u saying Gavin that someone in Australia has stolen another manufacturers manufacturing parts and the other seller can't or won't sell that item because someone stole something ?

That's a big big call.

I think of two things instantly. IF that was true, the alleged person who is missing the manufacturing part could contact Police or go through the courts. You then abide by the decision made by the umpire so to speak.
Secondly, the person who allegedly is missing said part can replace it if he wanted by making/ordering another if he wanted to. If he wanted to sell that part & had the orders to justify tooling up with the original or the replacement.

There is no doubt that when many people have purchased containers full of pinballs or pinball parts etc, there have been other parties bidding on the same stuff but lost out due to being beaten by a better $ offer.
I know some people might feel upset at being outbid, but if anyone was to suggest the other party "stole" the deal or parts, that would not be reality.

It is unfortunate in many industries, competitors will say almost anything about their competitors to win favour.
It's not a practice I believe in.
I say just promote your own products to the best of your ability.

And I think the people who have stolen your Gottlieb licences products have done the wrong thing Gavin.

[Caveoftreasures]

No Gavin.
There are 3 or 4 bullies who think it is OK to personally attack other members.


And by the way, all the other people who used to get put down by the bullies just left.
I don't run from bullies, I stand my ground.

Stick to pinball Gav !

That's why there will never be more than five or six regular posters. Every second thread turns into an argument and mud slinging contest.

in keeping with the religious theme of late, 'praise the lord' I have found another with concerns

Once upon a time a lot of people would post un boxing videos of Sterns but it became not worthwhile cause a few would bag the machines often.
The last thing a proud Stern owner wants to hear on his unboxing video is condemnation of the Stern product.

So Rottyguy is right, a lot of people don't post anymore.

Every time I post I cop shit from the same 3 or 4.
Every thread, every topic u get cheap nasty personality shots.
That's factual.
I would like the next 3 months be threads and posts about pinball without the nasty comments.

I will start a thread about powder coating for example in a few days time, just wait n see how long it takes for the same 3 or 4 to go off topic with snide nasty comments.
Every thread, every time. Let's see if we can have 3 months without personality attacks and cheap shots from the regular 3 or 4 haters.
I would love to be proven wrong.