Remakes of Classics - Would you buy one ?

[Pop Bumper Pete]

So how many of you that have Fathom on their list have ordered a Haggis? And how many of those are the modernised Mermaid edition?

Not at that price
I cannot believe the prices for new games today
I doubly cannot believe the prices on older game either
I tripply cannot believe I have 3 games over the 10K mark

glad I got in before these silly prices

[punkin]

$1k cheaper than a Stern premium for the Mermaid edition? Seems reasonable. Specially when i get the return on the one i already have that i paid 8.5k for.

[oldskool1969]

Mermaid #181
Celts incoming

am I broke? Yes.
How do I pay for it? I don't know ha ha

[ddstoys]

So how many of you that have Fathom on their list have ordered a Haggis? And how many of those are the modernised Mermaid edition?

Not at that price
I cannot believe the prices for new games today
I doubly cannot believe the prices on older game either
I tripply cannot believe I have 3 games over the 10K mark

glad I got in before these silly prices

It seems like madness for us old school collectors we had it good until the greed kicked in


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[punkin]

So how many of you that have Fathom on their list have ordered a Haggis? And how many of those are the modernised Mermaid edition?

Not at that price
I cannot believe the prices for new games today
I doubly cannot believe the prices on older game either
I tripply cannot believe I have 3 games over the 10K mark

glad I got in before these silly prices

It seems like madness for us old school collectors we had it good until the greed kicked in


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I disagree strongly with this. i don't think it's greed at all/ people have to pay what the market wants. Therefore you have to sell at what it costs you to buy the next one.
It's not greed, it's economics.
The new machine prices set the sale prices.

[oldskool1969]

I must admit I was very happy getting older machines and do them up. Now alas this is  difficult due to many varied reasons.
Hey, and who wouldn’t want new and shiny with the latest tech.
I love Haggis and hopefully it works out as I will ALWAYS try support my country.
Homepin doesn’t count as he is Taiwan, soon to be Chinese again and a massive TWAT.

[ddstoys]

Yeah and each to their own I’m just sick to death of having to repair over priced dangerous pieces of shit,  or repairing games for people with sob stories just to see them listed on eBay for a fortune claiming fully serviced etc

        Sadly punkin you missed the good old days you would have loved it so many passionate people helping and sharing and loving everything about pinball your excitement when you joined up felt like then


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[punkin]

I'm still excited collecting and getting to play new machines. I still love the people i meet and the friends i've made playing pinball.
Love to travel to shows and comps and the whole social aspect and hope it comes back soon.


I've seen the prices rise since i got into the hobby, hell, the machine i love more than any other cost me $1800 less than 2 years ago and would sell for twice that at least now.


But when i'm paying $10k for a players condition ToM, then i'd be an idiot to sell anything for less than average value as i'm still buying.


But i see the prices of the machines as relative and i'm grateful i don't collect old Holdens and Fords instead. The rest of the hobby is still the same, people are still the same. There's still people around that want to help others (including myself) and there's still people around who will take what they can get.
Thankfully there are still people who do everything they can for pinball, and there are still people like me who help out a little by opening their doors every week to others so they can enjoy these great machines.

[Strangeways]

So how many of you that have Fathom on their list have ordered a Haggis? And how many of those are the modernised Mermaid edition?

Not at that price
I cannot believe the prices for new games today
I doubly cannot believe the prices on older game either
I tripply cannot believe I have 3 games over the 10K mark

glad I got in before these silly prices

I would never overpay for a remake, and those prices are insane. My view on remakes are that if the game was an unfinished product - "Cactus Canyon" or "Kingpin" - then I'm all for it. "Fathom" is one of my all time favorites that took me 10-15 years to source well before it became one of the most sought after machines in this country (along with Embryon, Viking, Medusa etc). No remake will even come close to the classic look and feel (even the SMELL) of the original. I don't understand why manufacturers simply back their own abilities and create an original title / layout to compete with classic machines ? I heard that "Meteor" is being remade - another AWESOME machine. Why ? Are designer's / manufacturer's skills that poor that they rely on original designs ?

If you have the skills and ability to produce a new / unique table, why not produce the next "Meteor" or "Fathom". Stop copying old designs. Lazy, unimaginative money grab. "But it is hard to find an original to own" - Sorry, they are out there if you look for them..

[Strangeways]

I must admit I was very happy getting older machines and do them up. Now alas this is  difficult due to many varied reasons.
Hey, and who wouldn’t want new and shiny with the latest tech.
I love Haggis and hopefully it works out as I will ALWAYS try support my country.
Homepin doesn’t count as he is Taiwan, soon to be Chinese again and a massive TWAT.

Remember when we were kids and made out own tables using nails, runner bands and pegs as flippers ? These were better quality than homepin machines...

[Strangeways]

BTW - I have tracked down a "Gottlieb Rocket Ship". Under that tragic circumstances of my close friend Gavin's passing. Is one of my Grail games. Still looking for a "Super Score".

[Pop Bumper Pete]

If you have the skills and ability to produce a new / unique table, why not produce the next "Meteor" or "Fathom". Stop copying old designs. Lazy, unimaginative money grab. "But it is hard to find an original to own" - Sorry, they are out there if you look for them..

That is what I was hoping for when I heard of the Fathom 2.0, a Fathomeque machine, twisted a bit, a couple of ramps, and a similar art package
they did it with High Speed and The Getaway. Black Knight and Black Knight 2000

[oldskool1969]

If you can find a fully restored older game , then lucky you.
I couldn't so I am getting a Mermaid edition and signed up for the series. Also a CELTS for true originality.
clever marketing IMO
And why would you pay the same price for an older machine " restored" when you can get a fully wank factored NIB for a tad more with new technology to hopefully last another 40 years.
Haggis is gonna kick some goals unlike some others who tried.

[Strangeways]

If you can find a fully restored older game , then lucky you.
I couldn't so I am getting a Mermaid edition and signed up for the series. Also a CELTS for true originality.
clever marketing IMO
And why would you pay the same price for an older machine " restored" when you can get a fully wank factored NIB for a tad more with new technology to hopefully last another 40 years.
Haggis is gonna kick some goals unlike some others who tried.

One was sold on this very forum late last year. I believe an ultra rare "Spectrum" as well. One sold in Queensland last June/July, and at least 2 projects (Junk, but would be restored by a competent person) in the last 12 months. They are around, and since I bought my Fathom 15 years ago, there has been at least a dozen go up for sale since (4 since Covid alone). I've imported 5 Fathoms, and they have all been sold except one..

Very easily to source parts for a mass produced game that is 40 years old. Other than consumables or parts required for a restoration, that original charm and gameplay will be good for another 40 years.

"Restored" VS "Wank NIB" is an interesting comparison. My $ will always be on the original (restored). But I'd rather a game that surpasses Fathom. Obviously the tech is available.

[oldskool1969]

Surf Champ NIB with wank factor! ;-)