Wizard Of OZ Pinball

[Ant68]

Some people bought from Bumper , others bought maybe 2 or 3 from Jack direct ( for themselves and for a friend etc etc )
He want to know who the end users will be regardless where they bought from .

In some cases this will not apply to existing direct JJP customer .

[Pop Bumper Pete]

Seems the redesigned boards still have not arrived

[Strangeways]

? So no we have to go running after him?

He did not have a problem contacting us when a payment was due

You went direct to Jack ?

Sounds like Jack needs the Pre Orders through the distributor and also the buyers that went direct. I'd say he knows who the direct customers are from the direct payments process, and he needs to know the numbers through the distributor.

[Ant68]

You right Nino ,

[spacejam0]

I was in Bumper yesterday and the first thing I saw when those 2 sliding doors opened was the shinny new WOZ staring me in the face. With no one playing it I was drawn to it like a moth to a light globe.
 
Where to start with my thoughts on this one. The LCD is the first of many things that punch you right in the face with this machine, WOZ really is the next generation in pinball. Although I have seen many pictures and vids of this machine the LCD seems a lot bigger in real life especially when it is working as a single screen and not split into four as it does in the start of the ball. I like the LCD but when your playing the machine you don't really get to watch it same as a DMD so unless your a spectator watching or it has some purpose in a feature mode (that I never had) no real advantage with LCD other than eye candy IMHO. To be honest sitting here thinking about it I cant even remember what was playing on the LCD.

LCD aside this game this game is full of other great new technology in pinball such as the color changing LED's and high tech toys.
The quality of this machine (from the outside..I didn't get to see inside) looks very high. The graphics on the play field and cabinet look fantastic miles ahead of what I have seen on modern day stern's once again IMHO. The only thing quality wise that I thought could have used a bit more work were the wire form ramps and the side rails and lock down bars which to me looked a little flimsy and cheap.

Play wise I had 5 games in a row not enough to form a good opinion but enough to get a feel. It felt like a quality built machine.Hard to explain but well made like driving a quality built European car compared to KIA it felt smooth. It didn't get my heart pumping and I wasn't getting particularly  excited playing but I didn't know the rules and I was more distracted by all the eye candy than I was into playing the game. I never judge a game until I have played it a lot at home with no distractions. I could never get into my pinball playing zone in a shop way too embarrassing  with all my hip thrusting and leg kicking...sometimes at home when I'm playing my wife asks me if I want her to close the door give to give me some privacy with the machine.

I found it did drain very easily but that was probably just lack of game play or once again all the distractions of the game trying to take it all in rather than concentrate on playing. In my 5 games it preformed perfectly no ball stick or any problems.

In conclusion my thoughts are that although it's not a title I would ever add to my collection JJ have done a great job building a high tech quality machine that is state of the art. A mammoth task when you think about it building a new machine of this caliber from the ground up. I think that with some new titles or (IMO) some better titles Stern may have to lift there game on quality a little.

[Caveoftreasures]

Thankyou for the write up.

Question - Would you say it played fast, slow, or in the middle ??  Could you make all the ramp shots easily or not ?
Did it feel like it would get boring quick, or it was something that would be really challenging for ages to come with updated code(s) ?
What did u think of the widebody, did it slow things down, or did it add extra real estate for other great features ?

I know u only had 10 minutes, but just wanted to see what else u could remember ? 

If they offered a widebody Woz or a std Body Woz, which would u buy n why ? 

[Caveoftreasures]

PM recieved.  

And the answer is $100 is the cost of the Wizard of OZ translites that JJP is selling. They have been signed by Jack and Joe-game designer.

However, the JJP site is saying that the product cannot bew rolled and cannot be placed into a post-pak, so the shipping on JJP's site is coming up at a crazy $311 USA.

The only way anyone is going to get a WOZ translite to hang on the wall, is if people want to do a group purchase, and we get JJP to fix the shipping cost to something realistic, or IF ANT(Tony) is able to make room for a small box in his shipping container with his WOZ machines and multiple Invisiglass products.  I will send Tony a PM, and hopefully he can respond here.  

p.s - they are also selling the WOZ LE backglasses for $300, which means u can turn a std WOZ into a LE WOZ easily enough. It just means changing the silver legs/lockdown bar/siderails to emeralg green, change a topper maybe, add the LE apron. Seems simple enough.

[ddstoys]

I don't think the WOZ translight would be worth hanging on the wall there pretty plain

[Caveoftreasures]

I don't think the WOZ translight would be worth hanging on the wall there pretty plain

I thought they were identical to the full backglass with all the characters in the middle (like a screen shot of the LCD Screen ?)

http://www.pinballsales.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=95

[Caveoftreasures]

I emailed JJP about the current STD WOZ pricing.

It is $7,000 USA direct from JJP.
JJP advised me that I can add Invisiglass and a shaker motor for $500 total.
Shipping was quoted to Australia to be between $500 and $700 apx.

I was told except for the Emerald Green lockdown bar, and the green legs/side armour, everything else on the machine will be identical with the exception of the Apron.

Therefore, for $7,500 purchase price, and apx $700 shipping, you can land a Std WOZ machine for $8200 ish.
JJP have also advised, they are specially numbering the first 1,000 STD WOZ models, and have sold apx 400 so far.

The only thing to add is Emerald Green to the silver stuff really, which I reckon would be a absolute maximum of $200 tops, if not cheaper, and can be done by professional powdercoating. It seems these prices are alot cheaper dealing directly with JJP versus a dealer. The LE is sold out at JJP, but one or two may still be available via the VIC Dealer, but expect to pay much more than the upgraded STD WOZ at $8200.

I wonder if anyone in Australia has put their hand up for a std WOZ with upgrades. The pricing direct with JJP is OK.

[coon82]

Therefore, for $7,500 purchase price, and apx $700 shipping, you can land a Std WOZ machine for $8200 ish.

What about customs duties or is that inc. in the shipping figure, and GST?

[Pop Bumper Pete]

Seems that the date for the redesigned boards has moved again
Now they are arriving April 8

I would not call phoning 12 customers 'shipping will start by the end of March'

[Caveoftreasures]

Seems that the date for the redesigned boards has moved again
Now they are arriving April 8

I would not call phoning 12 customers 'shipping will start by the end of March'

I read that on there as well. 12 out of 1400 means nothing really. Things are starting to get a little stressed on the WOZ forum.
Announcing that 12 people have been telephoned just opened up a bigger can of worms, with people saying they signed on the first day, so why have they not recieved a call and so on. I do feel sorry for Jack, but this is a commercial enterprise, and he is extremely late, so he will have to cop it all on the chin from those that are pissed.
I think alot of people have come to their wits end. It shows on the posts. Some are still hanging in there, but what other choice do they have. Then there is the question of code and what percentage along is it. I think alot of people are expecting way too much with the code. They are all thinking its going to be released with 95%. I think thats a massive over-estimation. Jack has repeatedly said regular code updates will occur.

The phoning 12 people is just a helpful diversion to keep people thinking about something else, rather than the fact the untested boards havent arrived, and the production line hasnt even started yet.
Personally, I dont think proper production will even start properly for another few months.
They have to build all the parts racks/area, train all the staff, set up the entire production line to finalisation, then start producing/testing games, as well as many new components. This all takes time, then shipping times ontop. The calender cant click over fast enough.

[Caveoftreasures]

Therefore, for $7,500 purchase price, and apx $700 shipping, you can land a Std WOZ machine for $8200 ish.

What about customs duties or is that inc. in the shipping figure, and GST?

JJP havent and dont quote anything except $500 to $700 aprox for shipping, with a proviso, that they still have to check these figures. 

(which makes me believe that no one from JJP has yet got concrete figures, otherwise they would be quoting concrete figures)
There is no mention of any other relevant costs in relation to anything like GST, Customs etc etc.
I thought by now, someone on Aussie Pinball would have been given exact costs to bring their WOZ LE machine in from the USA via JJP if they paid directly.
Its late in the second half, and no-one knows these figures. I asked for purchase prices of WOZ STD, and asked for specific shipping costs etc, but was only given the $500 to $700 apx with the checking proviso. I dont think anyone knows concrete costs at all, yet.

If anyone does know, please post up for everyone. I might send another email.

[coon82]

Seems that the date for the redesigned boards has moved again
Now they are arriving April 8

I would not call phoning 12 customers 'shipping will start by the end of March'

Yes it is disappointing...Seems very anti-climatic and on it goes.