Wizard Of OZ Pinball

[RottyGuy]

15 months late and counting.

[Pop Bumper Pete]

CoT, with all your emails to Jack you have never received any information that was not in the public domain

[Freiherr]

15 months late and counting.

They will land on Aussie shores when this thread hits 20,000 views.

[ddstoys]

Feel sorry for the guys waiting specially Pete who was onboard from day one!! 

 A good example of why I never talk myself up how stupid do u look when you do and then don't deliver.

  Massive effort by jack don't get me wrong love what he is trying to do but if your falling behind just say so don't commit another date plucked from thin air then fail that aswell lol

[Caveoftreasures]

CoT, with all your emails to Jack you have never received any information that was not in the public domain

I am not sure what u mean.
The reason I have emailed JJP, a maximum of 3 times, is to get direct and correct information, free of rumour or accidental mis-information.
I have had a couple of surprises, firstly the fact that Jacks daughter Jen is a lovely girl, who is very efficient, and have been surprised about some info about Std Woz costings, and the fact that JJP will now allow direct purchases thru them.
What I have been confused about is no information about total shipping prices yet, or advice about extra costs.

I have been deciding if I should buy a Std WOZ n add the bits n pieces to make it close to a LE, or if I just buy someones LE, shortly after it gets here if some become available. Hence the emails to JJP to find some info out.
 

[roundball]

JJP can only quote a price to land the consignment into Australia - air side of you like. There are to many variables including possible AQIS / airport fees / duties / stamps / GST / broker fees etc, etc to allow for accurate pricing. Once your personal import lands you need to do the leg work to clear it landside. This is not JJP's responsibility. You are wasting your time
waiting for a firm shipping cost I reckon.

[Caveoftreasures]

I have purchased large arcade items from the USA before, and they could quote all the relevant costs within $10. If they can do it, JJP can do it.
No one on earth gets items sent and then starts to work out the costs, it simply does not happen this way.
JJP just has to use the services of a switched on freight forwarder. If I was shipping many many hundreds of pinball machines overseas to various markets, I would be using the services of a decent freight forwarder, and with this onboard, all peoples questions can be answered.

If JJP try n send WOZ machines overseas, without all the relevant paperwork n assosciated costs being finalised before shipping, this will all turn into a complete disaster, cause anyone who has shipped large items from the USA knows, that all the relevant paperwork must be done, prior to sending, not afterwards, or the costs start tripling etc, and getting your item without paperwork is near impossible.

Without a freight forwarder at JJP's end, the freight of the pinball machines will be a nightmare. AND it should be at JJPs end, because they will have the buying/purchasing power with the freight forwarder. IF it is left to the individual at the Australian end, you will be at the mercy of the Aussie freight forwarders with only 1 item, and they will stick it to you $$ bigtime.

[roundball]

Hence why JJP have a distributor in Melbourne.  It would be a pain in the arse for JJP to ship individual machines around the world, I'm sure they would much rather send containers.

I understand that every export needs to be shipped with its manifest and freight, terminal fees, duties and GST can be worked out.  However, if some smuck decides to investigate 'whats in the box' they are going to charge you to pull it aside, open and inspect.  You can't predict this. If some uneducated customs guy decides the machine needs to be fumigated (even though paperwork is in order) you will be hit up for AQIS fees. If you forwarder isn't AQIS approved, the machine will have to be transported to an AQIS approved site, fumigated and then cleared.  This sort of stuff does happen with individual personal imports, which, in essence is what is going to happen if you deal direct with Jack.

[Retropin]

Hence why JJP have a distributor in Melbourne.  It would be a pain in the arse for JJP to ship individual machines around the world, I'm sure they would much rather send containers.

I understand that every export needs to be shipped with its manifest and freight, terminal fees, duties and GST can be worked out.  However, if some smuck decides to investigate 'whats in the box' they are going to charge you to pull it aside, open and inspect.  You can't predict this. If some uneducated customs guy decides the machine needs to be fumigated (even though paperwork is in order) you will be hit up for AQIS fees. If you forwarder isn't AQIS approved, the machine will have to be transported to an AQIS approved site, fumigated and then cleared.  This sort of stuff does happen with individual personal imports, which, in essence is what is going to happen if you deal direct with Jack.

Absolutely.. and this is why Jack could never give you a confirmed price on how much to ship... he can tell you how much it is to pallette and freight cost but he in no way can be responsible for anything on this side of the water.. That is the responsibilty of the recipient. Even with a DHL consignment of a small parcel.. if its valued at $1000 thent he shipper is not responsible for charges this end... the recipient pays and boy will he pay!..GST and shipping fee @ 15%.. DHL fee, which last time i got stung was $250 with no receipt.
Even if you got your machine  in a container full of WOZ games.. then you know the share of container shipping youre are responsible for.. you also know your GST to pay.. but if they decide to fumigate, its extra.. if they decide that they dont like the paperwork, then all contents out of the container and onto the ground to be inspected at an hourly rate ( rain or shine).. repacked at your expense.. hourly rate ( or do it yourself).. anything found in container.. maybe a peanut left behind when shipping? then fumigation charged at Sq metre rate.. while its being fumigated, theres the storage fees.. and so it goes on.
So if you want confirmed price to ship from a seller then they would have to go worst case scenario and thats a price you dont want to know

[theintelligent1]

After being in since day 1......I bailed on mine about 4-5 months ago....hadnt checked any updates since.....

glad i got out when i did......good luck to all still waiting!.....

[Caveoftreasures]

Having one machine sent from a supplier in the USA is not all grim and bad scary news.
Fumigation is never done on a single item if it is palleted on a plastic pallet, and your paperwork is in order. The key is to having all your paperwork done correctly, whether you use a freight forwarder, or clear items yourself. You have to know what u are doing ahead of time. if I can do it successfully, anyone can do it. But it still amazes me that shipping figures are still a relative unknown at the USA end.

The reality is, is that some people will have to get machines sent on a one off basis, because the amount Bumper is charging for the machines is over $9500, and it is at least $1300 cheaper than that to bring it in yourself by dealing direct with Jack - woz std model i priced up a few posts back which is good value with invisiglass n shaker etc. If the price from the Aust Dealer can be fixed, and not go up n down like a rollercoaster, then they may have a chance of selling some, versus people going direct to JJP.  A friend bought a unsold LE from Bumper a few weeks ago, obviously for $9500 it is landed here, he just has to pay the $200 or $300 from Melb to QLD. But, i dont want to spend 10 grand, I would rather spend closer to 8 grand, or 8 and a half, hence wanting some concrete shipping figures from JJP.

I think the easiest way to get them, is to wait for JJP to ship 500 machines here n there n everywhere, then re-ask the shipping questions when they have been through it a few hundred times. Thats the answer.

[Ant68]

Hence why JJP have a distributor in Melbourne.  It would be a pain in the arse for JJP to ship individual machines around the world, I'm sure they would much rather send containers.

I understand that every export needs to be shipped with its manifest and freight, terminal fees, duties and GST can be worked out.  However, if some smuck decides to investigate 'whats in the box' they are going to charge you to pull it aside, open and inspect.  You can't predict this. If some uneducated customs guy decides the machine needs to be fumigated (even though paperwork is in order) you will be hit up for AQIS fees. If you forwarder isn't AQIS approved, the machine will have to be transported to an AQIS approved site, fumigated and then cleared.  This sort of stuff does happen with individual personal imports, which, in essence is what is going to happen if you deal direct with Jack.

 

Absolutely.. and this is why Jack could never give you a confirmed price on how much to ship... he can tell you how much it is to pallette and freight cost but he in no way can be responsible for anything on this side of the water.. That is the responsibilty of the recipient. Even with a DHL consignment of a small parcel.. if its valued at $1000 thent he shipper is not responsible for charges this end... the recipient pays and boy will he pay!..GST and shipping fee @ 15%.. DHL fee, which last time i got stung was $250 with no receipt.
Even if you got your machine  in a container full of WOZ games.. then you know the share of container shipping youre are responsible for.. you also know your GST to pay.. but if they decide to fumigate, its extra.. if they decide that they dont like the paperwork, then all contents out of the container and onto the ground to be inspected at an hourly rate ( rain or shine).. repacked at your expense.. hourly rate ( or do it yourself).. anything found in container.. maybe a peanut left behind when shipping? then fumigation charged at Sq metre rate.. while its being fumigated, theres the storage fees.. and so it goes on.
So if you want confirmed price to ship from a seller then they would have to go worst case scenario and thats a price you dont want to know

Last week I got hit $250 extra for a container because the swing loader was delayed at the wharfs whilst waiting to loading , they give you a set amount of time say 30min to load any time over that they charge you , like it or not .
If quartine decide to open and inspect the goods , good luck to you .
Very hard to predict a set price .

[Caveoftreasures]

my experience is that they start looking, if paperwork is not 100 percent.

the only other point i will make, is freight forwarders can get the pricing down pat usually within a handful of dollars, if JJP use a good freight forwarder, and I am sure they will, perhaps pricing and the process will become very easy n alot more efficient as they get experience with shipping overseas.

time will tell. moving on, there is a new video on the JJP forum, machine looks excellent.

[Ant68]

Shipping companies can also whack on a peak season sucharge or a bunker fuel surcharge also .
Quarantine can pick any container randomly .

I've been given a estimate from JJP to Brissy but who knows .

[roundball]

time will tell. moving on, there is a new video on the JJP forum, machine looks excellent.

Moving on..?  You asked the question re: freight, so input was put forward but you seem unwilling to listen to the reality of the risk scenario.? 

If you know all the answers why put forward the question.?