2 x NEW Additions .LOL

[pinnies4me]

..... so a muzzle around kids is always a safe option......

Seems cruel to be muzzling the kids though! 

[ktm450]

  Might have to try that out, could stop them arguing so much, definately make them a bit quieter 

[RottyGuy]

After getting the professionals advice, there are many different things required to socialise the dogs properly.

1. they need to be fed more, and at more frequencies. Less hungry, less nippy.
2. adults to meet n greet dogs when going outside first, calming them down from their excitement and jumping before kids go outside to play.
3. kids to pat n meet n greet dogs before just running off or past dogs without patting/greeting first.
4. dogs to come inside more whilst in the growing stage to calm and socialise them more.
5. no yelling and screaming from kids around dogs, which will keep dogs calm instead of hyping them right up.
5. give dogs some chew toys to chew on.
6. start walking dogs in 2 weeks time and start professional training with collars n leads etc with trainer.
7. 10 other things i have forgotten already.

So at this stage, we will give the professional fellow a good run at it, and if the dogs can be trained to my satisfaction, and his, then i will keep them, but really, i will be keeping the young bloke well away until he gets alot bigger, and the dogs will never be around him EVER without me being right there, and i will muzzle the dogs til training is over, and even after training, i think it might/muzzle will stay a permanent fixture when the young bloke goes in the backyard. That way it will always be 100 percent safe.

I will take things very slowly. I only have the 2 x kids (girl aged 12 and boy aged nearly 3) so everything will be done to accomodate this family safety first.   Even a labrador can bite, so a muzzle around kids is always a safe option during training and after. We will see how things go. Stay tuned.

Sounds like a positive start. I hope it all goes well. If you put in the effort, you'll see results. Keep us updated with the progress.

[Cow Corner]

Any dog that bites should be put down...this trainer, specialist stuff is crazy stuff.
Just another waste of $$$......they will bite again......
 

[Caveoftreasures]

the only dog in the world that cant or doesnt bite is one born without a mouth or teeth.lol

a small investment cant hurt. no pun intended.lol

we have seen big results by following training so far. 

[swinks]

Hi mate

I only just caught up on this thread, terrible to hear and hope your kids are ok.

Personally I would not keep them as that behaviour is natural for those dogs, along with pitbulls etc and when taking them out they always attack the other dogs, My Jack has been attacked a few times and especially when there are 2 of these as they go into pack mode.

Also just make sure your son isn't scared with all this as they tend to have a fear of dogs for a long time if not life so if he can't go in the back yard etc it will affect him and he is your priority.

cheers

Jady

[Cow Corner]

the only dog in the world that cant or doesnt bite is one born without a mouth or teeth.lol

a small investment cant hurt. no pun intended.lol

we have seen big results by following training so far. 

Amazing, simply amazing...the stupidity that is.
You would see bigger results from a bullet behind the ear of both of them, problem solved.

[Caveoftreasures]

*dogs have been perfect since next doors barking/viscious dog at fence etc has gone.
*training is working well.
*kids dont go in yard unless accompanied by adult.
*dogs have been playing with young bloke alot whilst supervised and no hassles at all since.
*will continue with the experts advice training etc.  young bloke will never be left with dogs without an adult or a muzzle.

everythings working fine. training and correct management is the key with any animal.

[RottyGuy]

CC, if he follows the advice and puts in the effort, they will have two great family dogs for life. Too many ignorant and lazy dog owners in this world who won't train their dogs are the real problem.

[Cow Corner]

CC, if he follows the advice and puts in the effort, they will have two great family dogs for life. Too many ignorant and lazy dog owners in this world who won't train their dogs are the real problem.

Yep that may be true but those dog owners did not attack a child without provocation, that is what has happened. Bottom line is these dogs are dangerous and bred for fighting, no amount of training will change that. I love dogs but this breed should be banned, no ifs, buts or maybes. They will attack again, no matter how much so called expert training they have.
I can't believe there is any other outcome other than these two being put down.
I do believe it is way more reckless and totally irresponsible of any owner not to put dogs down after they have attacked without provocation.
Just amazing. 

[Caveoftreasures]

I dont think there is a puppy in the world that hasnt had a nip/chew of a new owner or the kids in the first few weeks of being in a new home.
Puppies bite n chew everything in their first few weeks/months of life. They play rumble all the time and its part of them learning and growing.

99 percent of dogs grow out of it. No one keeps dogs that continue to show aggression, owners only keep dogs that show less or no aggression as they get older. same rules will apply here ofcourse. its all good and under control, i wouldnt have it any other way.

[Cow Corner]

I dont think there is a puppy in the world that hasnt had a nip/chew of a new owner or the kids in the first few weeks of being in a new home.
Puppies bite n chew everything in their first few weeks/months of life. They play rumble all the time and its part of them learning and growing.

99 percent of dogs grow out of it. No one keeps dogs that continue to show aggression, owners only keep dogs that show less or no aggression as they get older. same rules will apply here ofcourse. its all good and under control, i wouldnt have it any other way.

So it's just a little nip and chew and not the vicious attack you described earlier that had you so worried? I must have read it wrong or you were over dramatic and way over the top about the whole thing......no problems then.

[Caveoftreasures]

no, u were correct with ya first impressions, and because i am a very fair and balanced man.lol   I will say that my first opinion was correct, they did have a decent go, but the end result was a nip and a quick chew. If the end result was anything else, they wouldnt be here. But knowing what i now know, we dont have the kids running or screaming around the dogs, they get fed more etc and the dog next door has gone. We also calm the dogs by patting them before anyone goes outside to play etc. All the little common sense effort things that shld have been done which we were not etc have made some dramatic changes.

i am a positive man who looks at a glass as always half full versus half empty.   everything in life comes with its teething problems. no pun intended.lol

[RottyGuy]

I respect your opinion Daz, but ASBT is not a pitbull and is not bred for fighting. They can make the perfect family dog given training and socialisation from an early age. That should go for all dogs, regardless of breed.

[GORGAR 1]

Hope it all works out but not for me just can't trust dogs really and even worse with 2

Peter