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Title: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 12, 2008, 09:45:29 PM
Hi Guys, im going to buy another pinball machine soon *%*, i have been thinking about an Addams Family, STTNG, Dr Who or a Black Rose, any tips or ideas,

Thanks Ian  %.%
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Pinball Fixers on October 12, 2008, 09:50:10 PM
Out of that list, I would put them in this order:

1) STTNG
2) Addams
3) Dr Who
4) Black Rose

But really it is a personal preference thing... and they all have their own known problems.

My advice is to go and play all of them at least a few times each, and find the one you enjoy the most, but is also challenging.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 12, 2008, 09:54:54 PM
Depends on how much $$ you have budgeted  &&

STTNG is over rated imho - as a package. Must be a "Trekkie" thing because the game puts me to sleep. However, it is a very well made machine

Black Rose - Under rated - Great fun. I love the pirate theme.

Dr Who - Fair game. I used to love it years ago, being a Dr Who fan, but I guess since I'm not really into Dr Who, the game has less appeal ?

TAF - I love TAF. Great machine. Unfortunately, it is a costly title, but it is the best game on your list

I'd go ;

1. TAF
2. Black Rose
3. Dr Who
4. ST TNG

Curious to know if you have played Scared Stiff, Circus Voltaire, Whitewater or Fishtales, Ian ?


Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 12, 2008, 10:18:07 PM
not many pins to play in Tassie, i have played Addams and scared stiff at the airport in Melbourne and enjoyed both, I havnt played the others.

cheers Ian.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Pinball Fixers on October 12, 2008, 10:37:21 PM
There are quite a few pinballs in Tassie... I've repaired many for an operator down there over the last couple of years. I'll see if he has the ones on your list so you can go and play them.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: pinnies4me on October 12, 2008, 10:42:52 PM
That's quite an interesting list as it covers a wide gap of pricing.

I have only played Black Rose a couple of times, and it didn't do much for me. Nuggy has one and the Cannon is stuffed, as are **many** of them, and the repro that's out there is a disgrace. For that reason you want to be sure the one on the game you look at is as good as possible.

Being a major sci-fi fan, you'd think I'd like STTNG - well I don't - way over-rated as Nino says, and unless you are a real fan of the series, TAF for a little more $ is miles ahead. Dr Who is placed second for me as it's a decent game and due to price is the better game on a dollar vs game basis for me.

If you can afford a TAF then it is pretty hard to not like that game, it has so much going for it.

1. TAF
2. Dr Who
3. Black Rose
4. STTNG
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: markc on October 12, 2008, 10:44:38 PM
mate

play as many as you can find   travel to Melbourne    and play everyones

good list to start off with

just because  everyones raves  about addams  doesnt  means its a good pin   I personally dont like it

but most hate Judge dredd  but I like it

and I enjoy Shrek  too


mark
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Pinball Fixers on October 12, 2008, 10:50:11 PM
As you can see Ian, it's definitely a personal taste thing... So go and play as many as you can before making your decision.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 12, 2008, 10:55:31 PM
As you can see Ian, it's definitely a personal taste thing... So go and play as many as you can before making your decision.

100 % correct..

Ian - I notice you have a Flintstones - TAF has some familiarities with Flintstones.

What did you think of Scared Stiff ? Was it as good as a TAF ?
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 12, 2008, 11:11:39 PM
i cant remember much about scared stiff as i have not played it for some time, was there last month but put my money into Batman and indy and TAF.

but when i played it 18 months ago i enjoyed it it gave me a couple of free games

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 12, 2008, 11:16:21 PM
That's quite an interesting list as it covers a wide gap of pricing.

I have only played Black Rose a couple of times, and it didn't do much for me. Nuggy has one and the Cannon is stuffed, as are **many** of them, and the repro that's out there is a disgrace. For that reason you want to be sure the one on the game you look at is as good as possible.

Being a major sci-fi fan, you'd think I'd like STTNG - well I don't - way over-rated as Nino says, and unless you are a real fan of the series, TAF for a little more $ is miles ahead. Dr Who is placed second for me as it's a decent game and due to price is the better game on a dollar vs game basis for me.

If you can afford a TAF then it is pretty hard to not like that game, it has so much going for it.

1. TAF
2. Dr Who
3. Black Rose
4. STTNG


i am just deciding weather to go the cheaper route or more expensive.

as i would like to get a Bally strikes and spares project machine.

cheers ian



Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 12, 2008, 11:20:06 PM

I love CV, but I've "warmed" to Scared Stiff. Similar to TAF, but it is a "funnier" game..

Still after a project Strikes and Spares ? Great looking game..
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Retropin on October 12, 2008, 11:27:26 PM
Did i miss something in Dr Who??? What is there to get into in that game??
STNG - im happy to take everyone elses opinions on this title as i havent played it.
Black Rose - yep like the pirate theme and would place this 2nd to TAF,

My take
TAF
BR

Forget the other 2.
But even TAF - forever in the vault i found and i dont know - game play seems to come to a halt at some point and your left with the ball on the flipper wondering where to go next ( just like JD) - oh yeh - back down the vault.
Saying that though - would certainly love to own one but not at the price asked for it.

TZ not on that list???  Is on the top of mine,

Yep - its a personal thing.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 13, 2008, 08:53:50 AM

I love CV, but I've "warmed" to Scared Stiff. Similar to TAF, but it is a "funnier" game..

Still after a project Strikes and Spares ? Great looking game..

yes still want a strikes project, any one got one???, there's one on ebay at the moment back glass dosnt sound to good,

going to put an add in the paper to see if theres any non working machines of any type about.

cheers Ian   
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Retropin on October 13, 2008, 09:09:13 AM
Yeh AD in the paper is the way to go. I place one often. havent picked up anything for a while though.

Youll definately pick up project games, thats why they get sold on - game dies and sits there looking messy and eventually the wife wants it out. Divorce or seperation circumstances can lead to really cheap pins. i once picked up 2 for $10. Lady refused to take anymore money than that. Of course this was done to REALLY piss off the ex husband, his loss - my gain. My first 30's pin came from one of my ads too.

One problem here though - most of the sellers have scrolled through Ebay and are convinced that the pin is a retirement fund. As such, ive found that responses to ads have fallen dramatically or ridiculous prices being asked.

But heres a run down of some of what ive picked up through ads.

Lost World - $120
Zac magic castle - $170
Flash - $150
Firepower - $100 ( had termites!!)
Judge Dredd - $400

..and the best one of all .... Gtb Solar Ride + Gtb Top Score - $10


Good luck - i only posted this as i saw you are NOT Brisbane based - dont want too much competition!!! LOL!! ^^^
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: silverball on October 13, 2008, 10:32:57 AM
Come to Melbourne and do a pinball tour, there is many a place for you to try before you buy.........warning, your wanted list may grow.
You are welcome anytime.

Dave.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 13, 2008, 10:47:51 AM
Yeh AD in the paper is the way to go. I place one often. havent picked up anything for a while though.

Youll definately pick up project games, thats why they get sold on - game dies and sits there looking messy and eventually the wife wants it out. Divorce or seperation circumstances can lead to really cheap pins. i once picked up 2 for $10. Lady refused to take anymore money than that. Of course this was done to REALLY piss off the ex husband, his loss - my gain. My first 30's pin came from one of my ads too.

One problem here though - most of the sellers have scrolled through Ebay and are convinced that the pin is a retirement fund. As such, ive found that responses to ads have fallen dramatically or ridiculous prices being asked.

But heres a run down of some of what ive picked up through ads.

Lost World - $120
Zac magic castle - $170
Flash - $150
Firepower - $100 ( had termites!!)
Judge Dredd - $400

..and the best one of all .... Gtb Solar Ride + Gtb Top Score - $10


Good luck - i only posted this as i saw you are NOT Brisbane based - dont want too much competition!!! LOL!! ^^^

thanks for the info, add in the paper might work, ill give it a try. i hope no one from Brisbane reads this post %.% %.%

some good prices there, but as you say people are aware of ebay etc so expect more than its worth

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 13, 2008, 10:54:07 AM
Come to Melbourne and do a pinball tour, there is many a place for you to try before you buy.........warning, your wanted list may grow.
You are welcome anytime.

Dave.

Thanks for the offer and ideas, i dont think i will be in Melbourne in the near future though,though it would be very interesting to see whats in that container of yours due SOON?.

To all members here - What are your most favorite games?

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 13, 2008, 11:08:06 AM

Paragon
Fathom
Medusa
Haunted House
Spirit
KISS
Spirit of 76
Devil's Dare
Circus Voltaire
Scared Stiff
Pinball Magic (New entry thanks to Dave's)  &&


I have all of the above except Devil's Dare, Scared Stiff and Pinball Magic. I played Dave's PM and I just love the game..


Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: felixthadog on October 13, 2008, 11:15:02 AM

Thanks for the offer and ideas, i dont think i will be in Melbourne in the near future though,though it would be very interesting to see whats in that container of yours due SOON?.

To all members here - What are your most favorite games?

cheers Ian

TAF
TZ
JD
IJ
CV
HH
MM
TOM
TSPP
LOTR

Matthew
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: silverball on October 13, 2008, 03:41:46 PM

Paragon
Fathom
Medusa
Haunted House
Spirit
KISS
Spirit of 76
Devil's Dare
Circus Voltaire
Scared Stiff
Pinball Magic (New entry thanks to Dave's)  &&


I have all of the above except Devil's Dare, Scared Stiff and Pinball Magic. I played Dave's PM and I just love the game..



Thanks nino, I liked Pinball Magic from the first game I ever played on it. I have TOM as well and dare say that I like the PM a bit more.

Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: silverball on October 13, 2008, 03:47:27 PM
Come to Melbourne and do a pinball tour, there is many a place for you to try before you buy.........warning, your wanted list may grow.
You are welcome anytime.

Dave.

Thanks for the offer and ideas, i dont think i will be in Melbourne in the near future though,though it would be very interesting to see whats in that container of yours due SOON?.

To all members here - What are your most favorite games?

cheers Ian
Favourite games include Funhouse, Wh2o, Pinball Magic. Must say my interest is heading towards Gottlieb system 80's after acquiring one and then being introduced to another members collection.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 13, 2008, 04:41:26 PM
Come to Melbourne and do a pinball tour, there is many a place for you to try before you buy.........warning, your wanted list may grow.
You are welcome anytime.

Dave.

Thanks for the offer and ideas, i dont think i will be in Melbourne in the near future though,though it would be very interesting to see whats in that container of yours due SOON?.

To all members here - What are your most favorite games?

cheers Ian
Favourite games include Funhouse, Wh2o, Pinball Magic. Must say my interest is heading towards Gottlieb system 80's after acquiring one and then being introduced to another members collection.


Yes - I think I know the collection you speak of  ^^^

Amazing how you see other collector's machines and you have the opportunity to spend some time acquainting yourself with games you really never rated ??

Pinball Magic and Funhouse are two games I really like after playing Dave's.. Not to mention Striker Extreme...

System80's ??? I had none 2 months ago. Now I have four  <.>


Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 13, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
Forgot to add WH20 to my original wish list,

is striker extreme any good, most people bag it a lot.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Creech on October 13, 2008, 05:44:22 PM
Forgot to add WH20 to my original wish list,

is striker extreme any good, most people bag it a lot.

cheers Ian
Striker Extreme doesn't get a lot of love but it should. It's an excellent game, good fun and cheap too for a late model DMD. Pretty good bang for your back.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 13, 2008, 05:54:50 PM
Forgot to add WH20 to my original wish list,

is striker extreme any good, most people bag it a lot.

cheers Ian
Striker Extreme doesn't get a lot of love but it should. It's an excellent game, good fun and cheap too for a late model DMD. Pretty good bang for your back.


Could not have said it any better. Striker Extreme is a LOT of fun.. Greg is a HUGE fan of SE, and I'm a convert as well. They go for a fraction of the price of the others you mention.

WH2O is also a great game.


Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 13, 2008, 06:17:24 PM
oh well ill see what happens, it all depends on prices as to which way i go, plus i just put an ad in the local news paper wanting to buy working or non working pins, i dont hold out much hope as the pin trade in Tassie has never been big.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 13, 2008, 06:22:49 PM

There was a nice Paragon on eBay about 18 months ago - from Tassie. I don't recall if it sold or not..

Best of luck, Ian - let us know how you go.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 13, 2008, 06:27:46 PM
I would also love a paragon, first wide body i ever seen.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Retropin on October 13, 2008, 10:58:05 PM
Youll be suprised what crops up from an ad in the paper. There are non working pins in garages all over the place. Ive even seen one on the side of the road for the council pick up. Went back to get it and it was gone!
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 21, 2008, 07:39:06 AM
How much would you pay for a non working but complete Haunted house? #@#

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Retropin on October 21, 2008, 08:06:05 AM
If you are in Brisbane, my advice is not to touch it - absolute lemon, but pass on the details to me.

But how much would i pay??? Depends on the situation. If from a dealer then it wont be such a bargain, but if its a private sale from a non pinhead, then id be aiming to get it for $500 or so - id go to $800 on the outside.

Its always best ive found to get an idea of price from the seller - theyll give you what theyd love to squeeze out of you. Normally, you can half this price straight away.

Good luck - hope your bartering skills are well tuned.

Bottom line is... how much is it worth to you??
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 21, 2008, 08:14:36 AM
HH great game, hard to find and the dealers normally want top dollar.  I managed to pickup a non working Aust delivery for a good price after about 2 years of solid looking.  They are out there.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 21, 2008, 09:31:14 AM

Yes - they are out there, but as mentioned - they command top $$$. I purposely looked for a project machine that will be restored from the ground up.. (Thanks MarkC!)  ^^^
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: SILVABALL on October 21, 2008, 07:30:06 PM
I would love to own a Haunted House,but after restoring and pretty much repairing all of the electronics etc
It's put me off owning a Sys 80,Its funny though i do miss the Black Hole
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 21, 2008, 10:50:38 PM

Ok i scored a HH today, it lights up and makes a noise.

Back glass is 8.5/10
Playfield is 7/10
Cabinet art 8/10

I havnt had a chance to inspect it properly yet.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 21, 2008, 10:57:13 PM

Well done Ian - Is it local ?
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Creech on October 21, 2008, 11:05:23 PM
Nice, very nice. Good score.  #*#
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 21, 2008, 11:06:11 PM

Well done Ian - Is it local ?

Yes it was in a local arcade about an hour drive from where i live, the guy i bought it off, bought it off him about 15 years ago.

the arcade owner had trouble with the lower playfield not kicking the ball up to the main playfield, so he removed it (PF) from the machine.

the lower PF come with the machine so i will need to install it, in time.

there will be a lot to do but will be worth it

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 21, 2008, 11:11:50 PM

Congratulation mate... Really pleased that you have in your collection !

Maybe we could compare note is our respective Restore thread !!!

Well done  #*#
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 21, 2008, 11:14:31 PM
I hope you dont mind answering lots of questions pinball guru.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 21, 2008, 11:16:47 PM
I hope you dont mind answering lots of questions pinball guru.

cheers Ian

 *%*

No probs... I'm looking forward to starting my HH / Spirit / Force II..

Actually - for my next "Guide" I'll do a System 80 Power Supply !
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: pinnies4me on October 21, 2008, 11:42:32 PM
Great pick up (very jealous!!!) I love HH only second to BH for sys 80. Well done!
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: markc on October 22, 2008, 01:00:41 AM
very nice   well done


mark
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 22, 2008, 06:28:45 AM
Thanks guys, you just dont know whats in peoples sheds down the road.

when the guy rang up and said he had a HH for sale my eyes nearly poped out of my head.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 22, 2008, 08:51:08 AM
Great score and welcome to the system 80 club  *)*

Word of warning re pin all the connectors and do all the ground mods, it's only way to get them to run reliably.

Bottom playfield having trouble kicking ball up, do the mod with the pop bumper board kicks it up everytime.

I also have some aftermarket system 80 boards 4sale if needed.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 22, 2008, 01:30:10 PM
Great score and welcome to the system 80 club  *)*

Word of warning re pin all the connectors and do all the ground mods, it's only way to get them to run reliably.

Bottom playfield having trouble kicking ball up, do the mod with the pop bumper board kicks it up everytime.

I also have some aftermarket system 80 boards 4sale if needed.

Best advice on the old system 80s...
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: silverball on October 22, 2008, 06:42:02 PM
Good score, HH is a great pin.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Pinball Fixers on October 22, 2008, 08:18:06 PM
Great score and welcome to the system 80 club  *)*

Word of warning re pin all the connectors and do all the ground mods, it's only way to get them to run reliably.

Bottom playfield having trouble kicking ball up, do the mod with the pop bumper board kicks it up everytime.

I also have some aftermarket system 80 boards 4sale if needed.

Best advice on the old system 80s...

Yep, I'll second that!
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 22, 2008, 09:06:00 PM

Guess I'm a recent convert with system80s... I love them now - not as much as the classic Ballys, but getting close..

Once they are "bulletproofed" they are great to have in a games room.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 22, 2008, 09:56:53 PM
after having a closer look at my HH there will be a lot of work,

with the bottom playfield being removed they have done everything to stop the ball going

to the bottom playfield, cut wires to the trap door, and blocked the cellar hole with some sort of bog.

coils and brackets missing from under the lower PF, at least the lower PF came with the machine.

im sure it will all work out in the end!!! @.@

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 22, 2008, 11:42:30 PM
after having a closer look at my HH there will be a lot of work,

with the bottom playfield being removed they have done everything to stop the ball going

to the bottom playfield, cut wires to the trap door, and blocked the cellar hole with some sort of bog.

coils and brackets missing from under the lower PF, at least the lower PF came with the machine.

im sure it will all work out in the end!!! @.@

cheers Ian

It WILL work Ian !

Just needs some TLC - you should see mine - a real project game - but with HEAPS of potential ! I can't wait to restore it - and I have already received a repro backglass.



Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 23, 2008, 06:32:22 AM
Thanks Strangways, it will all come together.

some pictures.


cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: pinnies4me on October 23, 2008, 08:04:14 AM
Ian, I fear for your sanity. That looks like way too much work to get going. As I do worry for you, I feel it my duty to offer to take that game off your hands, lets say an extra $100 over what you paid?  Yes, yes, I know you may be a little overawed at the offer and the general kindness that brought it about, but your welfare is important to me. Please pack the game and I'll be over with some cash shortly.   %$%
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Retropin on October 23, 2008, 08:42:52 AM
A very kind an unselfish offer Pinnies4me.
Please accept the AP samaritan of the week award
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 23, 2008, 08:45:24 AM
That's one nice looking HH  #.#

There are scans available of the high wear playfield area's, you can make decals and then mylar over the top.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 23, 2008, 09:57:09 AM

Looks Great, Ian..

..and it will look even better after you have finished it.  #*#
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 23, 2008, 09:57:58 AM
That's one nice looking HH  #.#

There are scans available of the high wear playfield area's, you can make decals and then mylar over the top.

Scans ? Do you have a URL for those, Humpalot ?
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 23, 2008, 05:59:28 PM
email sent.  hope it works.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 23, 2008, 06:38:46 PM
email sent.  hope it works.


Got it - Thanks Mick !

 #*#
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 23, 2008, 06:47:32 PM
Your welcome.  Works really well on lower playfield wear.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 23, 2008, 06:50:34 PM
Great score and welcome to the system 80 club  *)*

Word of warning re pin all the connectors and do all the ground mods, it's only way to get them to run reliably.

Bottom playfield having trouble kicking ball up, do the mod with the pop bumper board kicks it up everytime.

I also have some aftermarket system 80 boards 4sale if needed.

what sort of price are you after for your boards, dont know if i need any yet as the machine does run, i am pretty sure i am missing a pop bumper driver board,
when turned on the HH fires up with the scores all working,
adds credit ok, press start button but ball does not kick out to the trough,
put ball in trough by hand and shoot ball with the shooter on to the playfield, flippers work most targets score aswell

cheers Ian

Ps where is my email about the HH scans #@# pretty please.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 23, 2008, 06:53:54 PM
Ian, I fear for your sanity. That looks like way too much work to get going. As I do worry for you, I feel it my duty to offer to take that game off your hands, lets say an extra $100 over what you paid?  Yes, yes, I know you may be a little overawed at the offer and the general kindness that brought it about, but your welfare is important to me. Please pack the game and I'll be over with some cash shortly.   %$%

ive only got one word to say to you


NO
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 23, 2008, 06:58:13 PM

Looks Great, Ian..

..and it will look even better after you have finished it.  #*#

it even come with an original manual and schematics, a bit worse for ware but it is still readable

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 23, 2008, 08:56:57 PM
Great score and welcome to the system 80 club  *)*

Word of warning re pin all the connectors and do all the ground mods, it's only way to get them to run reliably.

Bottom playfield having trouble kicking ball up, do the mod with the pop bumper board kicks it up everytime.

I also have some aftermarket system 80 boards 4sale if needed.

what sort of price are you after for your boards, dont know if i need any yet as the machine does run, i am pretty sure i am missing a pop bumper driver board,
when turned on the HH fires up with the scores all working,
adds credit ok, press start button but ball does not kick out to the trough,
put ball in trough by hand and shoot ball with the shooter on to the playfield, flippers work most targets score aswell

cheers Ian

Ps where is my email about the HH scans #@# pretty please.

Good signs there Ian.

Check the trough switch. Make sure the contact is clean and adjusted. Does the switch recognize a drained ball and advance to ball 2 ?

Check schematics. Check the coil - follow the wire to the driver board. Refit the connector.

Could just be a collapsed pin on the driver board connector, or the transistor that drives that coil.

Marvin system 80 guide could be a great read for you tonight, mate !

 %.%

Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 23, 2008, 09:01:34 PM
Ps where is my email about the HH scans #@# pretty please.



Seeming you asked so nicely.  Sent  &&
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 23, 2008, 09:16:37 PM
Great score and welcome to the system 80 club  *)*

Word of warning re pin all the connectors and do all the ground mods, it's only way to get them to run reliably.

Bottom playfield having trouble kicking ball up, do the mod with the pop bumper board kicks it up everytime.

I also have some aftermarket system 80 boards 4sale if needed.

what sort of price are you after for your boards, dont know if i need any yet as the machine does run, i am pretty sure i am missing a pop bumper driver board,
when turned on the HH fires up with the scores all working,
adds credit ok, press start button but ball does not kick out to the trough,
put ball in trough by hand and shoot ball with the shooter on to the playfield, flippers work most targets score aswell

cheers Ian

Ps where is my email about the HH scans #@# pretty please.

Good signs there Ian.

Check the trough switch. Make sure the contact is clean and adjusted. Does the switch recognize a drained ball and advance to ball 2 ?

Check schematics. Check the coil - follow the wire to the driver board. Refit the connector.

Could just be a collapsed pin on the driver board connector, or the transistor that drives that coil.

Marvin system 80 guide could be a great read for you tonight, mate !

 %.%



will have a fiddle over the weekend, i did clean the trough switch contacts, i think it did advance to ball 2 unsure.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 23, 2008, 09:18:17 PM
Ps where is my email about the HH scans #@# pretty please.



Seeming you asked so nicely.  Sent  &&

I thank you very much. #*#

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 23, 2008, 11:17:33 PM

Excellent scans... Mine is worn in the upper playfield - in fact - all I've seen have had some wear there !
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 23, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
just found a rom to make HH visual pinball work, had a couple of quick games,
the lower PF looks a bit hard to master.

anyone had a go at visual pinball HH.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 25, 2008, 10:17:20 PM
Had a bit of a muck around with it today, gave the PF a rough clean so as not to grind any more dirt into it.

found a couple of blown fuses, one was for the back glass lighting, and the other was for the ball eject to the shooter lane.

so basically the game is playable with no lower PF, attic PF works Fine, main PF works fine apart from one pop bumper

and one flipper is very weak.

i will have to work out whats missing from the under side of the cellar PF and get some parts.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 25, 2008, 11:15:08 PM

you have done well, Ian  #*#

Weak flipper will be a EOS or dirty plunger. Try cleaning the EOS and gap accordingly..
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 26, 2008, 11:07:33 PM

you have done well, Ian  #*#

Weak flipper will be a EOS or dirty plunger. Try cleaning the EOS and gap accordingly..

someone must have thought it needed some oil, all good now.

wiped oil off the plunger, new coil sleeve, cleaned oil off the EOS contacts.

Played a few games on it today, found if i put a few credits on and try to play more than one player

the credits disappear but no 2nd, 3rd or 4th players are added.
 
cheers Ian.

Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 27, 2008, 10:30:31 AM

Do all the displays light up on power on ?
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 27, 2008, 10:42:13 AM

Do all the displays light up on power on ?

yes all displays light up.

Ian.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 27, 2008, 11:07:10 AM
No point trying to troubleshoot the machine until you do all the ground mods and repin the connectors.  Once these have been done, then you start to fix any other errors, otherwise you will be just chasing your tail.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 27, 2008, 11:47:26 AM
No point trying to troubleshoot the machine until you do all the ground mods and repin the connectors.  Once these have been done, then you start to fix any other errors, otherwise you will be just chasing your tail.

Sound advice.. Clay's guide covers the ground mods - I have pictures of the Rocky with the mods applied in the restore thread.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 27, 2008, 06:38:36 PM
Yep happy to help out with info pics etc too, I've already done my HH.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 27, 2008, 08:39:32 PM
Yep happy to help out with info pics etc too, I've already done my HH.

Enough pix to share in a resto thread, Mick ?  ^^^
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 28, 2008, 08:52:39 AM
Yep happy to help out with info pics etc too, I've already done my HH.

Enough pix to share in a resto thread, Mick ?  ^^^

I haven't restored my HH yet, I bought it as a non working project.  The guy I bought it off cleaned and re rubber it before I picked it up.  To date I've done every mod, grounds, up kicker, re pinned connectors, cleaned and adjusted every switch and drop target, re placed original power supply with ripple free great plains one, replaced all pop driver boards with rottendog ones, replaced backglass with repro, new lower playfield spider web, used decals to repair lower playfield wear and covered it with mylar, replaced all previous repairs and hacks etc etc.

Still have cabinet to touch up.  Then to strip upper and main playfields, touch up and then clear.  Not planning to do this until I need to re rubber it.

Happy to take and share photo's of what I've done, if it will help anyone.

It's just a good player at the moment  *)*
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 28, 2008, 09:48:44 AM

I can't wait to start mine...

I was contemplating having the playfield touched up and clearcoated..
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on October 28, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
Yeah touched up and clear coated is the go, should make the game play a bit faster.  I used the decals on the lower playfield instead of touching up and clearing as the art work would be hard to match plus you have to be really looking hard to notice the decals there.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 30, 2008, 08:26:51 PM
Yeah touched up and clear coated is the go, should make the game play a bit faster.  I used the decals on the lower playfield instead of touching up and clearing as the art work would be hard to match plus you have to be really looking hard to notice the decals there.

What sort of price did they charge to get the decals printed,just so i dont die of shock.

i had some wear under the pop bumper non sticky mylar, i have photo shopped the area

and will get it printed as well.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on October 30, 2008, 08:46:23 PM

Great "photoshop" work there, Ian...

Time to start YOUR HH restoration thread ?
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Extra Ball on October 31, 2008, 09:04:01 AM
Yeh AD in the paper is the way to go. I place one often. havent picked up anything for a while though.

Youll definately pick up project games, thats why they get sold on - game dies and sits there looking messy and eventually the wife wants it out. Divorce or seperation circumstances can lead to really cheap pins. i once picked up 2 for $10. Lady refused to take anymore money than that. Of course this was done to REALLY piss off the ex husband, his loss - my gain. My first 30's pin came from one of my ads too.

One problem here though - most of the sellers have scrolled through Ebay and are convinced that the pin is a retirement fund. As such, ive found that responses to ads have fallen dramatically or ridiculous prices being asked.

But heres a run down of some of what ive picked up through ads.

Lost World - $120
Zac magic castle - $170
Flash - $150
Firepower - $100 ( had termites!!)
Judge Dredd - $400

..and the best one of all .... Gtb Solar Ride + Gtb Top Score - $10


Good luck - i only posted this as i saw you are NOT Brisbane based - dont want too much competition!!! LOL!! ^^^

Just sold my FT and have placed ads in local papers. Hoping I score some bargains as well.
:)
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on October 31, 2008, 07:38:01 PM
Yeh AD in the paper is the way to go. I place one often. havent picked up anything for a while though.

Youll definately pick up project games, thats why they get sold on - game dies and sits there looking messy and eventually the wife wants it out. Divorce or seperation circumstances can lead to really cheap pins. i once picked up 2 for $10. Lady refused to take anymore money than that. Of course this was done to REALLY piss off the ex husband, his loss - my gain. My first 30's pin came from one of my ads too.

One problem here though - most of the sellers have scrolled through Ebay and are convinced that the pin is a retirement fund. As such, ive found that responses to ads have fallen dramatically or ridiculous prices being asked.

But heres a run down of some of what ive picked up through ads.

Lost World - $120
Zac magic castle - $170
Flash - $150
Firepower - $100 ( had termites!!)
Judge Dredd - $400

..and the best one of all .... Gtb Solar Ride + Gtb Top Score - $10


Good luck - i only posted this as i saw you are NOT Brisbane based - dont want too much competition!!! LOL!! ^^^

Just sold my FT and have placed ads in local papers. Hoping I score some bargains as well.
:)


Good luck, look what i ended up with a HH.

let us know how you go with the add.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: ktm450 on November 03, 2008, 12:00:46 PM
Yeah touched up and clear coated is the go, should make the game play a bit faster.  I used the decals on the lower playfield instead of touching up and clearing as the art work would be hard to match plus you have to be really looking hard to notice the decals there.

What sort of price did they charge to get the decals printed,just so i dont die of shock.

i had some wear under the pop bumper non sticky mylar, i have photo shopped the area

and will get it printed as well.

cheers Ian

Great job, how long did it take mucking around on photoshop?
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on November 03, 2008, 03:58:36 PM
Yeah touched up and clear coated is the go, should make the game play a bit faster.  I used the decals on the lower playfield instead of touching up and clearing as the art work would be hard to match plus you have to be really looking hard to notice the decals there.

What sort of price did they charge to get the decals printed,just so i dont die of shock.

i had some wear under the pop bumper non sticky mylar, i have photo shopped the area

and will get it printed as well.

cheers Ian

Great job, how long did it take mucking around on photoshop?

not real sure how long it took to photoshop, probably three hours.

went to the print shop Saturday but they were closed ^.^, i dont knock of
until 5 oclock this week, hope they are open till 5.30.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: ktm450 on November 03, 2008, 05:48:23 PM
I'm interested to know how much they sting you for it
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on November 25, 2008, 10:33:14 PM
Whoo Hoo

I finished restoring the lower playfield in my HH yesterday,

popped it in the machine (for the first time in 13 years)

plugged it all in, hit the power button, solenoids fired and blew a fuse,

replaced that fuse and hit the power button again with the playfield up

so i could see what was happening, this time the game started up fine.

the only problem was the hole kicker (lower PF) would not kick the ball out

traced that to the connector between the MPU and SD board tonight.

So tonight i have opened up all the entrances to the lower PF and have

played 6 or 8 games in a row, I think i love this game, i mean the way

you can play three levels is fantastic.

i need to order some new connector pins, some of the pins in the connector

mentioned above are broken and none of the local parts people sell these pins

only the trifucon type.

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Creech on November 25, 2008, 10:43:03 PM
Well done Ian. Persistence does pay. Sounds like you've got it sorted.

Got any pics?
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on November 26, 2008, 10:24:04 PM
well i have got the machine going, but there is still a lot to do, i havnt done the ground mods yet

or the up kicker mod with a pop bumper driver board, but i have stripped the lower playfield and

cleaned it and patched up the ware spots, unfortunately i couldnt get the playfield colours quite right

i printed and adjusted the colour settings and brightness etc a 100 times.

i like to get the machine running first before i pull it apart, i dont think i will go as far as Strangeways

does though, hes very thorough ^^^

cheers Ian.

Lower PF pics.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Creech on November 26, 2008, 10:31:57 PM
Looking good Ian. Have you thought about an overlay for the mini playfield? I just checked "Balls of steel" website but they don't have a scan. Can you scan yours and touch it up on the computer? Then maybe get it printed professionally.

Just an idea...
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on November 26, 2008, 10:58:32 PM
actually the mini PF has a mylar on it and is in pretty good condition, a bit of wear under the pop bumper

and the up kicker hole, decals wont stand out as much as the lower PF

the printers i got a quote off were going to charge $100 for a couple of stickers thats BS

cheers Ian
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: Strangeways on November 26, 2008, 11:42:11 PM


Nice to some some pix of your HH, Ian.. Ground mods will make the game a lot more reliable and fun to play..
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: 63wizz on November 29, 2008, 09:49:03 AM
Yep happy to help out with info pics etc too, I've already done my HH.

Enough pix to share in a resto thread, Mick ?  ^^^

I haven't restored my HH yet, I bought it as a non working project.  The guy I bought it off cleaned and re rubber it before I picked it up.  To date I've done every mod, grounds, up kicker, re pinned connectors, cleaned and adjusted every switch and drop target, re placed original power supply with ripple free great plains one, replaced all pop driver boards with rottendog ones, replaced backglass with repro, new lower playfield spider web, used decals to repair lower playfield wear and covered it with mylar, replaced all previous repairs and hacks etc etc.

Still have cabinet to touch up.  Then to strip upper and main playfields, touch up and then clear.  Not planning to do this until I need to re rubber it.

Happy to take and share photo's of what I've done, if it will help anyone.

It's just a good player at the moment  *)*

How did your lower PF turn out with the patches, i printed and adjusted the colours and brightness a heap of time and couldnt get

the colours to match.
Title: Re: what pinball to buy next
Post by: humpalot on November 29, 2008, 12:02:51 PM
I couldn't get the colour right at home either.  I have a colour laser and photo bubble jet but neither of these gave me the results that I wanted.  Ended up going to a print place and having them print up the decals on a A4, results thou while not perfect are pretty close.