Down down, prices are down...

[Caveoftreasures]

    did the guy call himself a muppet ?, what a classic ! 

Nino, Ring Bumper and see what price they give you to buy a WOZ LE or a Hobbit LE.  Its close to ten grand.
Also, i dont know why u keep talking USA dollars, cause we dont live in the USA. and again, u give prices that only people living in the USA can have, I said it before, we live in Australia, not the USA. You have to get prices from Bumper, not overseas or you are talking about different subjects.
And u cant buy one directly from JJP, I have it in writing from JJP.  Only Bumper can supply machines now. Again, u can ask Jack, cause I have the email.  Also, that price Gav gave, of $8795 USA is from a website Gav found, so you shld ask him about it.

I dont mind debating these issues with you. You think you are correct, I think I am correct, we will leave it at that. 

[Wotto]

The mistake is granting sole distributorship to one company in oz. Stern have done the same thing and there is no competition as a result.

Agree 1 million percent - these guys have ZERO competition and therefore dont budge a cent on price.
They would be clueless how to SELL a product IF there was some actual competition.

Currently they are basically like "thats the price , take it or leave it- seeya"

[Pop Bumper Pete]

The mistake is granting sole distributorship to one company in oz. Stern have done the same thing and there is no competition as a result.

Agree 1 million percent - these guys have ZERO competition and therefore dont budge a cent on price.
They would be clueless how to SELL a product IF there was some actual competition.

Currently they are basically like "thats the price , take it or leave it- seeya"

Agree +1

[Strangeways]

  did the guy call himself a muppet ?, what a classic ! 

Nino, Ring Bumper and see what price they give you to buy a WOZ LE or a Hobbit LE.  Its close to ten grand.
Also, i dont know why u keep talking USA dollars, cause we dont live in the USA. and again, u give prices that only people living in the USA can have, I said it before, we live in Australia, not the USA. You have to get prices from Bumper, not overseas or you are talking about different subjects.
And u cant buy one directly from JJP, I have it in writing from JJP.  Only Bumper can supply machines now. Again, u can ask Jack, cause I have the email.  Also, that price Gav gave, of $8795 USA is from a website Gav found, so you shld ask him about it.

I dont mind debating these issues with you. You think you are correct, I think I am correct, we will leave it at that. 

I don't need to ring anyone, I just asked you for PROOF that a WOZ (Not a WOZ LE - You have added "LE" for some reason, and you know we are discussing WOZ) costs $10,000. Facts are - it does not. I've provided the link to JJP with the price.
I referred BACK you the USA pricing, as you referred back to it. Irrespective of geography, the prices difference is minimal. As I've said all along - "apples for apples" - WOZ = AC/DC Premium in terms of pricing. You CANNOT compare a Pro with a WOZ.

You can keep typing until you are blue in the face, but the facts are facts. WOZ does NOT cost AUS$10,000 as you claimed.

[Strangeways]

The mistake is granting sole distributorship to one company in oz. Stern have done the same thing and there is no competition as a result.

Agree 1 million percent - these guys have ZERO competition and therefore dont budge a cent on price.
They would be clueless how to SELL a product IF there was some actual competition.

Currently they are basically like "thats the price , take it or leave it- seeya"

What about promotion and marketing ? The game was behind a curtain, and only buyers with deposits could play it. The game should be "front and center" to attempt to create a talking point to encourage sales. But no, it was hidden out the back. JJP will need several distributors in Australia to survive. They cannot rely on "one" that does not promote their products. This is very obvious.

Stern is a little bit different. A decent distribution chain, but zero marketing and promotion. I had a guy pick up an eBay item yesterday and he looked into my garage. He was an AC/DC fan and was surprised when I told him that he could BUY his own AC/DC pinball. The unfortunate thing is - there's no distributor showroom - nowhere this potential buyer can go to see the three models, or any other Stern. He mentioned that he found out about the pinball at the local Pub, but the AC/DC was "out of order" and has been for weeks. That's a snapshot of Stern's sales model in Melbourne.

ALL manufacturers need to lift their game, but they rely on distributors who are not taking the product to market. People know where to go when they want to buy other commodities, but buying a new pinball is next to impossible. It is really frustrating to speak to potential NIB buyers, and they don't know where to start.

[Retropin]

The mistake is granting sole distributorship to one company in oz. Stern have done the same thing and there is no competition as a result.

Agree 1 million percent - these guys have ZERO competition and therefore dont budge a cent on price.
They would be clueless how to SELL a product IF there was some actual competition.

Currently they are basically like "thats the price , take it or leave it- seeya"

What about promotion and marketing ? The game was behind a curtain, and only buyers with deposits could play it. The game should be "front and center" to attempt to create a talking point to encourage sales. But no, it was hidden out the back. JJP will need several distributors in Australia to survive. They cannot rely on "one" that does not promote their products. This is very obvious.

Stern is a little bit different. A decent distribution chain, but zero marketing and promotion. I had a guy pick up an eBay item yesterday and he looked into my garage. He was an AC/DC fan and was surprised when I told him that he could BUY his own AC/DC pinball. The unfortunate thing is - there's no distributor showroom - nowhere this potential buyer can go to see the three models, or any other Stern. He mentioned that he found out about the pinball at the local Pub, but the AC/DC was "out of order" and has been for weeks. That's a snapshot of Stern's sales model in Melbourne.

ALL manufacturers need to lift their game, but they rely on distributors who are not taking the product to market. People know where to go when they want to buy other commodities, but buying a new pinball is next to impossible. It is really frustrating to speak to potential NIB buyers, and they don't know where to start.

... JJP will be dead in Australia with the current marketing strategy..... hide the product... dont let anyone play the product... dont display the price.

..Funny thing is that this attitude is aimed to collectors... the very potential buyers the distributor should be selling to.. no chance of Joe Bloggs even attempting to buy one

[Pop Bumper Pete]

As I said in a long gone thread, I do not think that JJP is happy with the way Bumper has handled WOZ

[GORGAR 1]

It is a Shame Melbourne doesn't have a stern distributor with a nice showroom imagine all the new games lined up and available to test before purchase, with WOZ I've heard it's in the showroom for anyone to test has anyone been in? I'd love to go in a check it out but not sure I can as I haven't bought one.

P:S- I bought my acdc off cash box and Leo did make it a very smooth transaction I was very happy.

PPS- the WOZ price I quoted was for the standard edition not the emerald city LE.

Peter :-)

[pinsanity]

As I said in a long gone thread, I do not think that JJP is happy with the way Bumper has handled WOZ

Not surprising since Bumper's new (old?) marketing strategy and target demographic focus is completely incongruous with what WOZ and Jersey Jack Pinball is trying to achieve (appeal to a new family friendly market).

Have you seen their promo vids on youtube? You tell me how this is supposed to complement and assist the promotion of what is supposed to be a family oriented pinball such as WOZ.

Possibly NSFW

[spacejam0]

As I said in a long gone thread, I do not think that JJP is happy with the way Bumper has handled WOZ

Not surprising since Bumper's new (old?) marketing strategy and target demographic focus is completely incongruous with what WOZ and Jersey Jack Pinball is trying to achieve (appeal to a new family friendly market).

Have you seen their promo vids on youtube? You tell me how this is supposed to complement and assist the promotion of what is supposed to be a family oriented pinball such as WOZ.

Possibly NSFW

that bella is a naughty girl

[Freiherr]

Did you say promo or porno.
Just follow the red brick road and see the Pimp of Aus.

[Strangeways]

It is a Shame Melbourne doesn't have a stern distributor with a nice showroom imagine all the new games lined up and available to test before purchase, with WOZ I've heard it's in the showroom for anyone to test has anyone been in? I'd love to go in a check it out but not sure I can as I haven't bought one.

P:S- I bought my acdc off cash box and Leo did make it a very smooth transaction I was very happy.

PPS- the WOZ price I quoted was for the standard edition not the emerald city LE.

Peter :-)

+1

The amount of people who don't know they can buy a NIB is astounding. I'm firmly stuck in the 70s and 80s, but for the last month I've had to listen to a lot of the general pinball public's perception that there are no NEW pinballs being made. If there was a Stern showroom, then I would have sent at least a dozen people there in the last month. The iron's hot, but the distributors do NOTHING to promote sales. Not even a showroom. Where do I send these people ? They don't trust eBay sellers, all they want to do is PLAY a new game.

Imagine if there were no forums ? Would the distributors sell anything ?

[Retropin]

As I said in a long gone thread, I do not think that JJP is happy with the way Bumper has handled WOZ

Not surprising since Bumper's new (old?) marketing strategy and target demographic focus is completely incongruous with what WOZ and Jersey Jack Pinball is trying to achieve (appeal to a new family friendly market).

Have you seen their promo vids on youtube? You tell me how this is supposed to complement and assist the promotion of what is supposed to be a family oriented pinball such as WOZ.

Possibly NSFW

that bella is a naughty girl

Oh dear... that is a very sad video indeed.. also shows that hardly any of the products to be sold work properly.. oh dear oh dear

[Freiherr]

It is a Shame Melbourne doesn't have a stern distributor with a nice showroom imagine all the new games lined up and available to test before purchase, with WOZ I've heard it's in the showroom for anyone to test has anyone been in? I'd love to go in a check it out but not sure I can as I haven't bought one.

P:S- I bought my acdc off cash box and Leo did make it a very smooth transaction I was very happy.

PPS- the WOZ price I quoted was for the standard edition not the emerald city LE.

Peter :-)

+1

The amount of people who don't know they can buy a NIB is astounding. I'm firmly stuck in the 70s and 80s, but for the last month I've had to listen to a lot of the general pinball public's perception that there are no NEW pinballs being made. If there was a Stern showroom, then I would have sent at least a dozen people there in the last month. The iron's hot, but the distributors do NOTHING to promote sales. Not even a showroom. Where do I send these people ? They don't trust eBay sellers, all they want to do is PLAY a new game.

Imagine if there were no forums ? Would the distributors sell anything ?

We took our 7yo daughter yesterday with 18 friends to her birthday party at Kingpin, Campbelltown. They had a good time with Skirmish, Bowling and arcade games. There were about 60 various arcade games and amusements and not one pinball to be seen. I eventually found one hidden at a dark back corner all by its lonesome self where there was no traffic and hidden by the service counter (posted on sited pins). An LE Tron not looking busy at all.
A sad state of affairs for operator pinball in general. Pinball is no longer hunting potential players in the wild. It is only enthusiasts who hunt for the elusive machines hidden from view.

[delarge]

I'm off to Bumper tomorrow to hopefully check out WoZ. Would love to play it. Fingers crossed!

$10k by Christmas?
Lol.