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Aussie Pinball Forums => Restorations => Topic started by: goodolddays on April 08, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
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Gday all,
Time to start a thread on resto of my 1968 Williams Lady Luck that I bought last week.
Play meter is on 39334 .. as usual you wonder is that total plays or is it really 139334.
The PF appears to have never been mylared (not even Pop bumpers) at least none on it when I bought it.
Game will need the usual ie .. new rubbers, globes , Pop Bumper tops, bodies and skirts, new flipper bats and don't know what else yet. All parts will be disassembled , cleaned and lubed where appropriate.
Hoping to source a better BG from the US (see my other thread in general discussion for a pic of the current BG )
So far I have stripped the PF and given it an initial clean (no Novus or wax yet)..
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.. or 239334 plays !
Certainly looks the goods so far. I'd assume it would look great once it is buffed.
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Here's the area where in my haste to clean I suffered some paint loss . Should have waited till the next day and bought some Shellite . Wondering do I redo the lines lightly in pencil, paint, then do the lines in black pen? I haven't done touch ups before.
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Also have areas like these that I'd like to fix .. any suggestions from the guru's?
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I think the PF gurus will know more than I will - but I think you can get away with just filling the cracks with paint as a "quick fix".
You are taking the pictures without the flash off ? They are a little out of focus.
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I think the PF gurus will know more than I will - but I think you can get away with just filling the cracks with paint as a "quick fix".
You are taking the pictures without the flash off ? They are a little out of focus.
Mate .. the flash is off , at least in some of them .. I am still crap at taking pics of pinnies @.@.. needs LOTS more practice .. apologies for the quality .. practice will make perfect
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Another question .. this game is a US import so I need to mount a step down transformer.
For those of you who have done this, what have you found is the best spot for it ? it's just sitting on the front cross member at the moment .. is this the spot ? ^&^
What about heat with the 2 trannies so close to each other ? Comments welcomed please
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I think the stepdown transformer should be fine where you have placed it.
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Mine get mounted on the inside back of the cabinet but where you have it is fine
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Today I have stripped and cleaned the Playboard . 1st time I have gone to this effort but well worth the result ^^^.
Still got to clean all those switches though .
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Great stuff!
That is coming along very well.!!
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The first time i pulled out the board for a clean i was so glad i did as with your effort it looks a million times better.
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I'm still working on cleaning the mechanicals and switches in this game so no exciting pics to show of that, but today thought I'd finish cleaning the PF.
Here it is now after being cleaned 3 times , followed by light going over with ME + alcohol, followed by 2 applications of Novus 2.
My 1st attempt at touch ups still to be done.
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One more .. got quite a shine on it already *%*
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Sorry .. posted the same pic twice in the 1st batch @.@
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Very nice starting point; if the touch-ups are done well this will look very good.
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Dave that game is looking sweet.
Norm Clark would be looking down and smiling *%*
Rates high on IPDB: http://www.ipdb.org/rate/showrate.pl?gid=1404
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Still slowly working away on this game .
Had last 2 days off, so yesterday I overhauled 6 of the 12 score reels . I used to be a bit aprehensive of doing score reels but not any more %.%
The flyer turned up in the mail yesterday too.
Family day today so no work done
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no pictures ?
!!! !!!
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Good one ^^^
Dave, you do enough of those score reels on an EM you can do them blindfolded after awhile. :lol
Have always thought this was the most important part of an EM rebuild
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Its one of the first things i do on a rebuild score reels and steppers it makes a whole machine look better with nice shiny score reels
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Got motivated tonight and overhauled the Number Match Unit Stepper. This is a very important part of this game as it is the Blackjack dealers hand which is revealed at the end of each ball.
Every stepper will get this same treatment , including very pivot point is cleaned, polished and light smear with Superlube.
I know cleaning the outside of the disc has no impact on how the machine runs but it looks great :D
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I lost the plot with the spring positions when I was putting the unit back together but have fixed them up after looking at these pics
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Alcohol+Scotchbrite pad cleans up the contacts well
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Looking good mate. I never remember to take photos when im doing up the internals but i must start as its great to see the difference
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I love the attention to detail !
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Credit Unit and Ball Count Steppers have now been overhauled . Both of these barely worked before, mainly because the centre shaft was pretty gummed up .
Of course I also remove coil plunger and sleeve and clean/polish them .
I don't have any new sleeves on hand at the moment and the old ones are pretty much OK for now.
Here's the Credit Unit now (sorry .. no before Pics)
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and the Ball Count unit
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Oops .. forgot the other pic of the Ball Count unit .. last pic is the backbox now .
You can see from the player 1 score reels how dirty this is/was .
Still need to clean the 6 x player 1 score reel assemblies, all the relay switches , replace all the globes and the backbox will be done
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Dave,
It's these 'little things' that really give your old EM new life.
Would be the first time in 42 years that any type of cleaning/rebuilding would of been done on the mechanical parts.
Hope you are enjoying the ride!
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Dave,
It's these 'little things' that really give your old EM new life.
Would be the first time in 42 years that any type of cleaning/rebuilding would of been done on the mechanical parts.
Hope you are enjoying the ride!
Yeh Tony ..that is in fact a large part of my motivation .. breathing new life into a game this old .. I am pretty obessessed with it all now .. coil stops are not very worn which is a good sign of not a heap of use.
I reckon this game must have lived in a mechanics workshop or something .. it was covered with black grease/grime , even under the playfield where you lift it up
Started thinking my other EM's would sure benefit from this same treatment .. by the way , did you ever overhaul the mechanicals on Spanish Eyes ?
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Yeah Spanish Eyes got an overhaul......BUT....
That was 10 - 12 years ago. From memory the playfied got the full treatment but the steppers etc. only got the basics to get it working 100%
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Yeah Spanish Eyes got an overhaul......BUT....
That was 10 - 12 years ago. From memory the playfied got the full treatment but the steppers etc. only got the basics to get it working 100%
Thanks for that Tony .. I'll add her to my overhaul list then .
Was thinking when I finally finish Lady Luck I'll be looking for another project , but now realise I have 3 other EM's here all telling me they want 'the treatment' , let alone my Firepower that is waiting to be fixed, plus all connectors need to be replaced on it.
How will I ever find time to play these games again :lol
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Got another 2 score reel mechs overhauled .
Here is a before and after pic of the 0-9 player 1 unit. Most likely never would have worked with all the crud on the circuit board (they are all like that), but now works a treat . Hard to believe its 41 years old after a cleanup.
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Yep - They don't make things like they used to !
Takes time, but once the steppers are rebuilt, the game can be trouble free for years.
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Update : Have finally finished overhauling steppers and score reels .
Have cleaned and tested 50/100 switches on the backboard so far.
Still need to clean and test all switches on the playboard and under the playfield .
Today, for something different, I pulled out the lock down bar mech and cleaned it up with the help of some Ranex (great stuff that is) + some elbow grease.
Here's before and after pics of it
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Yep - Ranex is a great product and can make a huge difference.
Looking good ^^^
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Wow that really is great stuff ill be keeping an eye out for some next time im out in the real world
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Wow that really is great stuff ill be keeping an eye out for some next time im out in the real world
Heh, heh, they let you out of Geelong every now and then?
But seriously, the number of times people have had great results with Ranex it must be worth it.
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No not out of geelong... the only time i leave geelong is to visit Mark and even thats scary
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Dave,
Coming along well mate!
Hard to believe they are the same parts. How long did it take for you to get those results?
I used the stuff last week on some rusted legs and was disappointed with the results - after seeing what you achieved I'm wondering what I did wrong !@#
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Dave,
Coming along well mate!
Hard to believe they are the same parts. How long did it take for you to get those results?
I used the stuff last week on some rusted legs and was disappointed with the results - after seeing what you achieved I'm wondering what I did wrong !@#
Hey Tony . Used 3 applications of Ranex , left for 10 mins a time, then scrubbed with a toothbrush, then rinsed .. repeat. Then wiped over with Windex and a rag, then polished with some Brasso .. probably about 45 mins all up. I also tried it on a couple of legs last weekend and had very good results .. one application per leg and followed Nino's method in his thread about removing rust from legs.
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My apologies, I had to clear some space of my old webserver. I've moved the pictures and fixed the links ;
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=110.0
Tony - check out that thread.
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Gday all .. thought it was time for a progress update.
I've just placed my 1st order with PBR (a pretty big order too) and most of the parts will be going into this game including:-
Pop Bumpers : New rods/rings, caps, bodies, bases,skirts and spoons
Flippers : New rebuild kit , flipper covers, coils and cabinet switches
New rollover buttons , ball hole kicker covers, coil sleeves and stepper springs and coin door lock.
Now for me thats the easy part .
The next step is the playfield touchups which I've never done before (read a lot though), and would really appreciate your suggestions on best way to do this .
Here are examples of what most of the areas needing touchup work look like now.
The question is do I do this with a very fine brush (to fill the lines missing paint) in the areas where there is artwork (such as the cards etc) and for the areas where it is just one colour with no artwork use a sponge to blend the new paint with the old ?
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All the bumpers have a small amount of wear in the varnished area , which I'm not going to worry about , just over with a mylar ring . For this one here will fil in the area of missing paint and the black outline
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forgot the pic
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This area has the most paint loss , luckily there is a Joker on the other side of the PF so hopefully I can redo the text using a technique in Clay's restoration guides
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and what would you guys do with this area ? I'm thinking touch up the red (and black outline) but leave the varnished area as is, otherwise if I redo that I have to sand back and redo all the varrnished areas ^&^
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All the inserts have sunken , (15 of them) so will have to remove and reposition them (again never done this before but have read how)
Any comments please .. if this was your playfield how would you do it ?
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Heating them up from the bottom with a hair dryer and gently tap them into place worked well for me. Just hold a flat block ontop and tap it up to the block
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Heating them up from the bottom with a hair dryer and gently tap them into place worked well for me. Just hold a flat block ontop and tap it up to the block
Tks Daniel .
The question "if this was your playfield how would you do it" is probably a bit misleading .. what I meant was would you touch up all the areas I shown in the pics ? and how would you do it ?
I know the answer is partly "how far do you want to go" and I'm keeping in mind the theory the less touchups the better
Cheers
Dave
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Well personally id try color match the worn areas. But its not an easy job color matching is hard
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I could always take the cheats way out and send it to Gav for him to do. #@#
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Well theres one way to get it looking brand new
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Well theres one way to get it looking brand new
Yep .. and I am seriously thinking about it. I am so tempted to put it all back together (when I get the parts) and play it . I've never played a game on it yet but expect it will be a keeper
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If it was mine I'd leave it....
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Finally bit the bullet and removed all the playfield inserts today (15 of) .. unfortunately about 15% of the side of one broke, but it should be Ok to go back in.
Have decided to cheat and leave them out while I do the playfield touchups.
Next jobs on this game are playfield touchups and cabinet repaint.
Will post some progress pics of that when I do it.
Have already got all the new parts I need for this game and am itching to put it all back together so i can play it for the 1st ever time, && but keep telling myself to finish the cosmetic work first *%*
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Good news Dave,
Was only wondering where you had got to on the Lady Luck restoration.....keep chipping away.
Good luck with the respray. If you need any advice ask away!
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Finally bit the bullet and removed all the playfield inserts today (15 of) .. unfortunately about 15% of the side of one broke, but it should be Ok to go back in.
Have decided to cheat and leave them out while I do the playfield touchups.
Next jobs on this game are playfield touchups and cabinet repaint.
Will post some progress pics of that when I do it.
Have already got all the new parts I need for this game and am itching to put it all back together so i can play it for the 1st ever time, && but keep telling myself to finish the cosmetic work first *%*
You are doing a great job. Don’t be afraid to do touchups. If you use artists acrylic u can easily wash off what u don’t like. Aim for 0, 00, 000 taklon brushes. I would also remove the old lacquer on the wood around the flippers and bumpers. If you use an old fashioned shaving blade it comes off easily. Here is a result:
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Tks for the encouragement Patric67 and tip about removing the lacquer .. sure made a big difference in your example *%*
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Today I started on the playfield touchups .. the colour matching is damn hard as others have said in the past. Spent about 2/1 hrs experimenting trying to get a close match for the white , got a good match for the aqua and need to work a bit more on matching the yellow
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Here's before and after of the area where I lost paint during the intital PF clean .. still got more work to do on this area
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Here's before and after of the Ace .. didn't really want to but will probably repaint all the cards
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This one shows the touchup in my 'antique white' I've done to the elbow on the girls arm , and my paint and smear in the larger single areas of colour such as the aqua
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Last pic for now of the whole PF .. I've repainted under the areas where the plastics go, partly to freshen it up, and partly to help my 'antique white' blend in more (though I spose you won't see it much when the plastics are back on
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Oh your a very brave man Dave,
Gotta say the results you achieved today look outstanding!
Keep up the great work and keep the updates coming!
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The PF touchups are finished. $#$
Its not perfect but a lot better than before and I can live with it now . This was my 1st ever attempt at PF touchups and I found it one of the hardest things I've ever done. No Pantone colour charts .. just mix by eye using basic colours of green, yellow, blue, red and white. The black outlines were the hardest of all . Doesn't help that I don't own a steady hand #@#
I ended scrapping and redoing the white areas 3 times, as each time I managed to mix a closer colour match . I think I redid the left joker 4 times .. totally stuffed it when I tried to do the black outline and the J , so did those 1st and then painted into the borders %.%
Maybe one day I'll redo it better .. who knows .. haven't waxed as yet.
Here's a few pics
Before and after (Elbow and face touched up)
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I revarnished the worn areas around the bumpers and touched up the missing paint and black outline .. here's a before/after example
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Here's a before/after of the 'Advance' above the left playfield rollover.. I also touched up the Blue around the 2 middle rollovers and the black outline on the inside of each roller (all were worn)
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Here's how the cards turned out .. the Ace and a couple of others were completed repainted , most of the rest just touched up .. now they are pretty much all the same colour and a few shades whiter than before
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Here's before/after of the lower half of the pf which is where most of the touchups have been done
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Coming along nicely. ^^^
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Yesterday arvo I completed stripped the coin door (never done that before) and cleaned, derusted, polished best as I could .. doesn't look too bad now for 41 years old .. don't have before pics .. couple of handprint smudges on the front (doh!)
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I revarnished the worn areas around the bumpers and touched up the missing paint and black outline .. here's a before/after example
very well done. are the old nails on the playfield staying for a reason. i know people put them in later to stop sagging plastics but they are unecessary once u flatten the plastics properly.
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very well done. are the old nails on the playfield staying for a reason. i know people put them in later to stop sagging plastics but they are unecessary once u flatten the plastics properly.
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I've pulled the nails out since the pic was taken . All the plastics are in very good shape so I will only put the nails back if I find I really need to.
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I really enjoyed watching the progress of your touch ups, and I'm impressed. This is your first attempt at playfield touch ups ? Well done !
Are you planning on clearcoating the playfield, or just waxing to protect the work ?
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I really enjoyed watching the progress of your touch ups, and I'm impressed. This is your first attempt at playfield touch ups ? Well done !
Are you planning on clearcoating the playfield, or just waxing to protect the work ?
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Tks Nino .
Yes, 1st attempt. No clearcoat. I'm just going to wax and see how it goes.
Cheers
Dave
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I plan on using a roller to apply the base coat to the cab and making cardboard stencils . Have just been experimenting with a roller and cardboard on a piece of ply and find that I get bleed through around the edges of the patterns I've cut out.
If I use less paint the bleed through is less, but am really hoping to achieve some crispish outlines when I paint the artwork .. there are a number of circles to be done for example . Does this mean I will need to spray the 2nd and 3rd colours for best effect ?
If so, I will have to use a spray can cause I don't have access to a spray gun.
I suppose the problem with trying to use a roller to paint the artwork is you can't keep the stencil perfectly flat , hence the bleed through.
Also, when you paint the artwork , do you leave the stencil in place for 30 mins or so?
Appreciate any comments/suggestions about this .
Here's a pic of the cab art I need to recreate.
Thanks
Dave
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Best way I have found is as follows:
Make stencils/or tape up
Then to keep this simple, say you want to apply red on base white
Once the stencils/tape are in place - in the area you want the colour to go, seal the 'gap' where the paint bleed is by applying the base colour white along the edge of the stencil/tape.
This will then seal the area for paint bleed.
Have fun
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That makes a lot of sense Tony . Thanks for that great tip ^^^ .. restores my confidence somewhat ..
I guess it also means I should be able to use the roller method ?
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That makes a lot of sense Tony . Thanks for that great tip ^^^ .. restores my confidence somewhat ..
I guess it also means I should be able to use the roller method ?
Dave,
She is your game - do what you want - I have done it with a roller on Picnic (the never ending repaint) and I was really happy
with the way she is coming out. You do get a different texture to the paint this way but I think it suits these old girls.
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How come ive only just come across this thread?/
Great job on the touch ups!!!
Just a small tip - when doing circular black lines - always use a compass with a very fine tip black marker inserted. Most of the time there is a hole right in the centre where a bumper goes etc ( as you well know!). I tape my paint jar lid over this and find centre of the circle. Draw the outer line of the black circle, then move the compass in slightly and draw inner line.
You can then paint and fill the full width of the broken line, the pen line gives you a guide for your hand as it is impossible to draw a perfect circle - even harder with a paint brush as pressure differences will give different widths.
Once youve filled the 2 lines, it looks spot on as you have a smooth edge to the line for the eye to concentrate on.
Bloody top job though - fantastic rebuild and restore
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Looking great Dave ^^^
Instead of cardboard stencils -I used Clear Contact on all curves and shapes,a lot thinner than cardboard and seal all edges as Tony mentioned. On all straight lines I marked with pencil and used Blue masking tape,sealing the edges the same. The pencil rubs off easily when dry with a pencil eraser.
What type of paint are you using,acrylic,enamel or water based enamel ?
I found using the Roller gave a great result - Cheap and no mess.
Kev
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How come ive only just come across this thread?/
Great job on the touch ups!!!
Just a small tip - when doing circular black lines - always use a compass with a very fine tip black marker inserted. Most of the time there is a hole right in the centre where a bumper goes etc ( as you well know!). I tape my paint jar lid over this and find centre of the circle. Draw the outer line of the black circle, then move the compass in slightly and draw inner line.
You can then paint and fill the full width of the broken line, the pen line gives you a guide for your hand as it is impossible to draw a perfect circle - even harder with a paint brush as pressure differences will give different widths.
Once youve filled the 2 lines, it looks spot on as you have a smooth edge to the line for the eye to concentrate on.
Bloody top job though - fantastic rebuild and restore
Really appreciate your feedback Gav .. high praise from someone with your talents.
Great tip about the circular black lines .. might have to redo them per your suggestion if I get motivated. Will get the BG measurements to you soon.
Cheers
Dave
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Looking great Dave ^^^
Instead of cardboard stencils -I used Clear Contact on all curves and shapes,a lot thinner than cardboard and seal all edges as Tony mentioned. On all straight lines I marked with pencil and used Blue masking tape,sealing the edges the same. The pencil rubs off easily when dry with a pencil eraser.
What type of paint are you using,acrylic,enamel or water based enamel ?
I found using the Roller gave a great result - Cheap and no mess.
Kev
Thanks for your feedback and tips Kev. The contact idea sounds interesting and easier than cardboard method.. will have a think about doing it that way , spose I could use the cardboard as the template to mark the outlines when I sand back the cab. Is there any risk of removing paint (basecoat) when you remove the contact though?
Haven't thought about what type of paint to use as yet , need to reread what you guys have done .. so many decisions ^&^
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As the title says I have finally finished making stencils for the cabinet and head. $#$
Will be stripping and painting the cabinet very soon (progress pics then)
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As the title says I have finally finished making stencils for the cabinet and head. $#$
Will be stripping and painting the cabinet very soon (progress pics then)
Well it's about time Dave *)*
Seriously - what are you going to use? The contact and the Millsey method?
Just take your time and when you strip the cab make sure you do it outside if using paint stripper :D :D :D
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As the title says I have finally finished making stencils for the cabinet and head. $#$
Will be stripping and painting the cabinet very soon (progress pics then)
Well it's about time Dave *)*
Yeah mate I know &^&
Seriously - what are you going to use? The contact and the Millsey method?
Yep .. contact and the "Millsey method"
Just take your time and when you strip the cab make sure you do it outside if using paint stripper :D :D :D
Yep no worries ^^^
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I've started stripping the old paint off the cab this arvo so no turning back now @@^
This is my 1st cabinet repaint . Will post some progress pics with next update
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Gday All ,
I've finally got back to this project .
Have sanded and primed the cabinet but haven't started back box yet.
I'm expecting to make a lot of progress next month #*#
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Base colour and second colour done .. one colour to go .. I'm very happy with how its turning out #*# .. there is a slight mistake on each side that i don't think you can see in the pics which I will be able to touch up.
The original paint had silver speckles over the base colour which I didn't like so won't be adding those.
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Looks great - lots of commitment to strip the cab back.
It's turning out really nicely.
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Nice paint job - Did you use a compressor etc or an aerosol spray can ?
I think it looks fantastic. Well done.
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Thanks for the feedback guys .. I used a paint roller
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There is a product you can use for making stencils called 'signmask' it's an 'Avery' product, available in a 620 mm width you can purchase it from the sign making trade by the metre. I plan on using it in the future to run thru a vinyl cutting machine to complete future resto's. Your resto is looking great ! #*#
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Got the 3rd colour applied today .
Unfortunately the circles didn't turn out perfectly but not bad for my 1st ever attempt at a cab repaint I think.
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I think it is outstanding for your first cab repaint ^^^
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Looks great. How did you put the red on - was it a stencil?
Reason I ask is when you look hard at your pics of the 25th you can see what look like pencil guide lines for the red circles? Are these used just to position the stencil or did you freehand them?
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Thanks guys
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How did you put the red on - was it a stencil?
Reason I ask is when you look hard at your pics of the 25th you can see what look like pencil guide lines for the red circles? Are these used just to position the stencil or did you freehand them?
Gday Dave ..
It looks in Red in the photo's cause they are taken at night with a flash but in fact it is more of a very dark orange .
I used the Millsy method ..can't find the link to wher he documented it but here is how
1. Trace original artwork onto greaseproof paper
2. Place tracing on cardboard and go over lines with ballpoint pen (leaves imprint on cardboard)
3. Go over imprint with pencil (or pen)
4. Cut out areas where colour 2 and 3 need to be applied.
5. Important.. measure on original artwork a few key points to be able to lineup cardboard stencil correctly
6. After sanding and priiming cab, anhd applying base colour,tape cardboard stencil to sides
7. Trace around outllines of artwork for colour 2 and 3.
8. Place clear contact on whole side of cabinet
9. Carefully score/cut the shapes for colour 2 and remove
10. Apply primer/sealer over the cutout areas , especially on the edges (to minimise/elimate paint bleed)
11. Apply colour 2 (2 coats)
12. Remove contact.
13. Repeat steps 8 thru 12 for colour 3
It is a lot of work but the result is worth it.
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I couldn't resist putting the coin door back on to see how it looks now.
1st pic is when I 1st got the machine home and second is now .. big improvement !
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lets try the 1st pic again .. front when I originally got the game
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Looks sensational well done ^^^
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EXCELLANT @@* @@*
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Looking good - nothing like cab restore to start the morning !
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I finished the backbox today and it is now on the cabinet for the 1st time since I bought this machine #*#
Needs a couple of minor touchups but it turned out pretty well.
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Looks good Mate well done. Nothing quite as rewarding as good head !*! (Sorry couldn resist)
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Have put a few coats of wax on the PF. Currently reconnecting switches, testing light sockets etc
Here's a couple of pics
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I've also given the light board a coat of paint and resinstalled it.
Here's a before and after pic
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Looking good Mate ^^^
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Very, very nice - Looks like it is getting the full treatment ^^^
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Love the brfore and after shots - you can be really happy with progress.
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Playfield coming back together. Inserts are nice and level now
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Were the inserts easy to do, how did you remove them and refit them ?
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Were the inserts easy to do, how did you remove them and refit them ?
Gday Millsy.
This was my 1st attempt at removing inserts, but found it not as hard as I thought it
would be.
Method.
1. Remove PF and place it upside down.
2. Heat insert from underneath (I don't have a heat gun so used a hairdryer)
3. Gently tap out the insert through the top of the PF using a socket and rubber hammer.
I managed to break the edge off one, maybe not enough heat ?? but refitted it OK in the same spot.
4. Remove old paint around the edge of inserts .. I carefully scraped it off with a screw driver
then Novus 3, Novus 2 to clean up any scratches.
5. Put PF back in cab
6. Apply good bead of PVA glue around the inside top of hole
7. Push insert in with a ruler to level it
8. Double check flush by running a finger across PF and edges of insert
9. Wipe up any excess glue top and bottom
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I've painted the timber playfield rails the Turquoise colour that I used on the cabinet.
I think it looks heaps better than the original sky blue (see the original bit near the ball gate that I haven't done yet.
Now I'm gonna have to respray the ball arch and apron too .
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Today I wired up the Stepdown transformer and now the game has power for the 1st time in at least 6 years (and probably many more).
Check both transformers have correct voltages.
If I press the coin switch the score motor turns and stops but the current problem is the lock relay is not energising so currently trying to track down why.
I was excited to see that score motor run for the 1st time in who knows how long $#$
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Now have PF lights when I press left flipper. Took me a while to notice that most of the coils on Playboard had no 24V due to one of the wire loops was completely missing . !@#
Onto the next prob, game has credits but press start button and nothing happens
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Some more progress.
Fault .. press replay button .. nothing happens .. there were no credits on machine (Doh!)
Fault .. reset cycle not completing .. found one of the score reel 0 position switches was not open
Fault .. at game start the 10's reel incrementing by 1, the bell rings and the ball index relay held on .. found one rollover switch closed .
Current faults
1) Some PF lights not working .. what Williams called "Display lights" , the circuit runs via a switch on the Tilt relay, so I need to have
a look at that
2) Some PF switches not working and neither eject hole works
3) Machine is not recognising a drained ball
I've painted the ball arch cover Yellow , still need to do the Apron. I think it is much better than the original blue. What do you think?
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That is looking great have you mylared the playfield?
The best advice i can give you is to rebuild all the stepper units and score reels i find 90% of EM start up faults are non functioning and dirty stepper and score units. Specially if it has been sitting for many years.
If you unsure do a search in the 101 section there are step by step instructuions on how to do these ^^^
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Hi,
Looks great, how did you get the playfield so good?
Did you wax it?
How?
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That is looking great have you mylared the playfield?
The best advice i can give you is to rebuild all the stepper units and score reels i find 90% of EM start up faults are non functioning and dirty stepper and score units. Specially if it has been sitting for many years.
If you unsure do a search in the 101 section there are step by step instructuions on how to do these ^^^
Gday Daniel .
Thanks.
I already rebuilt all the mechanicals last year . Only wired up the power for the 1st time recently. I've got a fair bit of EM experience under my belt and will track remaining faults down. It is completing reset sequence now and launching the ball as it should
Only have wax on the playfield .
Cheers
Dave
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Hi,
Looks great, how did you get the playfield so good?
Did you wax it?
How?
Gday Gordo .
Thanks
If you have a look back through this thread you'll see I've touched up the playfield and have put about 5 coats of wax on it.
Cheers
Dave
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Man thats a damn good wax job. Well done what method do you use? Mine never look that good
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Gday Daniel .
I use Meguires Hitech Yellow Wax. For this PF I stripped everything from the top side, including the light sockets, applied a couple of coats the usual way (ie by hand) then a couple more coats which I buffed using a lambswool polishing pad on my electric drill (a poor man's version of the treasure trove kit I spose) . #@#
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This machine is starting to do my head in. !!!
Have made some progress .. all PF lights now work (switch on tilt relay was out of adjustment)
Ball count unit was not stepping up due broken power wire on coil (not obvious)
One eject hole now works, the other still doesn't.
All PF switches now work.
Have tracked down some other switches which were out of adjustment causing other problems.
Still trying to fathom why it doesn't do anything when the ball drains and why only sometimes
it will reset and start a new game when using the credit button, but does when pressing the coin switch (which it shouldn't)
I also need to order 4 new coils for the pop bumpers as can't remove original sleeves.
I will get there , as usual it just requires patience and perseverance.
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Patience is the key and tackle each problem in isolation. There's nothing I enjoy more than fault finding EMs. Evey problem has a logical conclusion - it is the learning aspect of "gettiing there" that has always kept my interest in EMs. Oh - and of course - I LOVE playing them ^^^
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Patience is the key and tackle each problem in isolation. There's nothing I enjoy more than fault finding EMs. Evey problem has a logical conclusion - it is the learning aspect of "gettiing there" that has always kept my interest in EMs. Oh - and of course - I LOVE playing them ^^^
I hear you Nino . I love fault finding them too .. just gotta stop going around in circles like I am at the moment .
I've only been in the hobby for 5 years (or is it 4 ?) but I am still amazed at how anyone could design all the logic that goes into making an EM work ^^^
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I think I've now found all the faults .. but can't be sure till I can play a game .
Put an order in to PBR today for the pop bumper coils + some other bits and pieces so soon as I get those I can finish putting the game back together.
The key problem that had me stumped ended up being simple , and something I should have checked 1st ! The score motor home switch was out of adjustment so the score motor was only turning 180 degrees and then stopping.
Also found the latch/trip relay (which is at the rear of the playboard on this game) was not working at all .. mechanical problem.
Found a number of other switches out of adjustment along the way.
Hopefully I’ll finally get to play my 1st ever game on this in a week or so #*#
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Well done on getting it going. The first thing i ever do with an EM is remove the base board so i can get a good look at it make sure all the switches are aligned and not bent. Clean each contact then rebuild every stepper and score reel that way i know any faults still present will have to be brocken wires or stuck/non worming switches. The best bit is onc its running it will run forever
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Project just about finished, all thats left is spray the cab and headbox with clear laquer and reinstall the siderails.
Here's a couple of pics showing how the apron and ball shooter have turned out . :D
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Very nice - No doubt you are looking forward to playing it %$%
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Very nice - No doubt you are looking forward to playing it %$%
Yep, Nino , very much looking forward to playing a game.
Fired it up on Friday arvo, to do just that and nothing happened when hitting the credit button .. a wire had come off the lock relay coil . ^&^
Currently play testing and tracking down last few faults .. ball count not advancing (fixed .. tracked down to dirty plug in backbox) , ball diverter gate staying open (think thats got something to do with the player reset relay), left kickout hole not working etc.
Will post some pics of the finished cab in a couple of days when I get a chance
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Gday all.
Well, this project is pretty much finished. I was finally able to play some games on her yesterday . $#$ $#$
Still need to figure out why second player doesn't work, why the card count intermittently goes nuts and resets, and why she doesn't award credits.
Amazing logic in this one, 38 relays needed. Machine needs to reset card count when you bust as well as award when you beat the dealer.
Game plays really well and is pretty much 2 games in one .. trying to beat the dealer each ball yet at the same time maximise your score
each game.
Has many new parts , including all new sleeves and coil stops, Pop bumpers are all new including coils and springs (very snappy).
Full flipper kit and coils etc.
Machine cost $700 and now owes me $1130.
Still need to order a repro backglass from Gavin to finish her off.
Here's a couple of pics, my next project is sitting to the right of her.
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That has come up really well you must be very happy with the result
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Thanks Daniel .
Yeah , pretty happy with it, especially being able to play her after all this time and effort that went into this project. Still got a couple of minor faults to track down.
There were a number of firsts for me with this one.
1st time I've done any PF touchups, 1st time I've tried repainting a cab, 1st order from PBR, 1st time I have spent so much money on parts for one game and the most complicated EM I have had to fault find so far.
I was lucky in being able to find a manual and schematic from an Ebay seller in the US , who was actually happy to sell O/S.
I'm now thinking about trying to touch up the backglass (which would be another 1st for me) #@#
Cheers
Dave
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Well, about 15 faults later (I've lost count %.%) I just played 5 games in a row without something going wrong so I must be getting there #*#.
Last fault to nut out is why its not awarding a credit when you beat the dealer (all adjustments are set correctly) .
Think I will have to rewire it a bit , the large bell in the cabinet is so LOUD &&
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Good on you Dave - this has been a great thread to follow with cab painting, playfield touch ups and EM electrical woes and fault finding.
You must be very happy and satisfied to be finished - 5 games in a row I'd define as finished! Thanks for taking time time and effort to document it for us.
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Thanks for the feedback Dave, glad you have enjoyed the thread.
Yes, I have great sense of satisfaction to have this game working and looking so good.
As I've probably said earlier, this project was a major challenge for me , and I haven't had an EM with so many faults before either.
It was a huge exercise in patience and persistance , given I picked this game up in April '09 and have wanted to play it since then.
I'm looking forward to starting on my next project (the '65 Gottlieb Thor bred) #*#
Cheers
Dave
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Fixed the prob of not awarding credits .. a dirty and out of adjustment switch on the score motor. #*#
A little bit more fine tuning and this game will be running sweet ()
Have to say this is a fantastic game to play, so much happening .. I LOVE IT . It was worth every minute and every cent I've put into it. $#$
Will never sell it ! .. end of rave
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Here's a pick of my game with the better BG from my 2nd Lady Luck
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try that again
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and an interesting comparison of the 2 playfields, which are currently side by side
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Looks brilliant thanks for sharing has been a great thread to follow
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Yep looks great mate ^^^