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Aussie Pinball Forums => Restorations => Topic started by: MartyJ on November 29, 2008, 01:14:41 PM
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OK, well I've now truely jumped into the deep end...I've picked up a Williams Police Force for a project (not running). Overall the machine is in good nick, few broken plastics, usual ramp cracks. PF has been mylared (looks factory) which has a few bubbles....Will decide a bit later on whether to remove or leave...
I'm head deep in Clays System 11 guides to try to sort out boot issues. All good fun..
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I really like this game. Good luck with it.
Does the police car work?
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Fun game that. Nug has one, and I do love playing it, except I'm not sure how you steal the other players points, but Nug does so no bloody use playing with him coz he's a thief!
I'm sure he'll be happy to assist with any tech issues too.
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I really like this game. Good luck with it.
Does the police car work?
Not sure yet! Cannot get game to boot (known issue when purchased)....
The belief was that it was working fine, a screw was dropped just in where the displays were, caused a short now DOA. I found the offending screw!
Fuses checked, I have the CPU board out at the moment but not too sure where to start...I will try to find some schematics to start with...
I'm getting a +5V LED constant, the diagnostics is blinking 3 times, then 6 times...The Blanking LED flashes, stops, then flashes...
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I've got some schematics and stuff for system 11 - shoot an email over to pinnies@thistledown.com.au if you would like what I've got Marty.
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Awesome!....Thanks heaps.
OK. Little bit unsure which LED code failure I should take note of (maybe both)....Its flashing 3, then next cycle 6. A 3 flash is the U51 PIA failure (score display circuit) and a 6 flash is U42 (sound board)....The score display circuit makes sense if the screw theory is right....I'll try to comprehend my way through the schematics to see whats before / after the U51...Also building an external power supply (off my computer) to drive the CPU board....
Will post more photos of resto shortly!
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OK...Have setup external power supply as per Clay's guide (spare Peter Chou p/s), run +12, +5 & GND to 1J17...Same error....
Ive done the old finger on chip method ie 'heat checking' the PIA's....U51 is definately warmer than the others. I suspect it is bad. U42 was not hot, but I think I will replace both. Question for the experts (a) am I on the right track & (b) should I just buy the 6821 PIA's or sockets as well?
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I always socket any chip I replace, especially those with as many legs as those 6821's, makes life easier down the track if you have another drama.
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I always socket any chip I replace, especially those with as many legs as those 6821's, makes life easier down the track if you have another drama.
Makes sense. Will get some as well..
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Replaced TIP42 although the other one did test OK. Track running from resistor to SR15 was gone, so I had to jumper on the underside. Buzzed it out fine. I'm flying by my guts here so if I've done wrong please let me know!
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Could have left the 244c in place if it was OK - according to comparison tables its a direct replacement.
What youve done is all OK!
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Bit of an update....
Waiting for some components & other bits before I can get back onto the display..
Stripped probably about 1/2 the pf. Unfortunately two of the r/h/s sling posts snapped in the t-nut straight away *.* Hopefully I will be able to just gently tap the t-nut out and replace both....
Bumpers removed (not fun) and a couple of touch ups to be done. This is the only wear on the whole playfield. It seems that it was factory mylar down below, but nothing around the bumpers at all? Given the little wear, it was either very well looked after or low play...I will touch up as best as I can and probably mylar the bumper section. I will keep the mylar only on the red section which should hide it nicely.
**It makes me laugh that the graphic designers actually painted the turtles bum hole on too!**
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Thanks for pointing out the bum hole - I'm never gonna be able to play nug's PF with a straight face again!
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Thanks for pointing out the bum hole - I'm never gonna be able to play nug's PF with a straight face again!
:lol :lol
Nice machine, Marty.. Keep the updates coming.
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OK, 1st coat is done. I'm not happy with the green, its a shade off now dried...I don't know if the clear will bring it up....I had to take some artistic licence with his paw as I had no idea what was there previously? Unfortunately there is not a great deal to do with this afterwards...The previous owner left me a very clean machine &&, so I can't even vac the cabinet or clean it...I think even the transformer was cleaned...
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That's pretty darn good. Looks fine from this angle. Nice work.
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Looks like the police force has a good home, good work marty, and nice pics. %$%
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That green looks OK - any CC will bring out the difference though. Being such a small area try using spray P/thane.
Cut a hole in a piece of paper just under the size of what you want to spray. Hold paper above PF approx 3- 4" and spray the paper. Dont even think about the hole as your brain will tell you to spray through the hole ( brains are like that)
What happens is the spray gets diffused - covers area you want but diffuses out leaving no lines etc.
For small little touch ups - P/thane is great, if its good enough for the kitchen table it can handle a ball rolling over it.
Acrylic paint should always be matched dry as it darkens when drying. Acrylics can be really irritating to use because of this. Im assuming you used acrylic as you mentioned it darkened when dry - enamel shouldnt do this.
But shes a VERY tidy machine - great score!
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Now moving onto cleaning visible nuts, screws and plastics...I'm being ultra careful as a few are cracked etc...I'm considering putting mylar ontop of the cracked plastics just to keep them together?
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Looking really good. ^^^
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Looking really good. ^^^
Are you referring to the Turtles ass ? <.>
Great touch up Marty...
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Question for owners of Police Force....In the above photo, just to the right of the hole on the playfield which the rod goes through for the microswitch / gate there are two smaller holes (just to the bottom of the middle bumper). There was nothing there previously and I don't know what should go there? I believe there is a hole in the 'cocaine' plastic for something there but I'm flying blind...Nothing of value on IPDB either...
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Not much more progress made...
Pop bumpers are partly back together...Ordered new lamp sockets & bumper caps...Not sure if I can find the decals which go on top of the bumpers, but will have to google. Also beacon lights back on and cleaned. The centre piece was painted an flat grey (almost undercoat colour). I sanded this and painted it silver. Just a pressure pack job. Came out OK. I'm also trying to find the "Police Force" decals which go on them. I may have to try a sticker place, but I'm not sure if they have the chrome colour which I believe they came in?
I will have to sort out the wiring again for the lamps in pop bumpers, then playfield is done....I've decided not to remove the mylar on lower pf. There are a few bubbles but I don't want to wreck a very good playfield just for that..If someone has done the 'injecting clear into bubble' method I would be interested?!
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Marty - Did you end up covering your touch up work with Mylar ?
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Marty - Did you end up covering your touch up work with Mylar ?
Yes. Given it was around the pop-bumpers I had a spare bit left over and its gone down over the entire section.. I know generally the mylar around the pop bumpers is thicker but it should hopefully prevent futher wear. Plus I knew at that stage I would not be removing the lower section of mylar. I had read about people having horror stories removing factory mylar (on F-14 etc)...I couldn't find any playfield decal sets either so that pretty much sealed the deal for me!
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Dont blame you for leaving it on if its not absolutely necessary.
I have Space Station from around the same period, Mylar is good apart from a few bubbles round the inserts.
Doesnt affect play in any way, but i do intend taking it off.
Normally use the heat method, but ill try the injection method also through the bubbles. Heat can be a risk, if injection works better, ill be sure to let you know
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OK, bit more of an update..
PinScore arrived today (thankfully without damage!). Removed old score assembly, old mounting bolts and +100/-100v fuse. Marco's instructions didn't say too, but my understanding is that they are not being used now so no real need to have them in..
I had to modify the back board (lamp board) just slightly. There is a display test switch mounted on the rear of the pcb. I measured everything up but it was being depressed if mounted so I cut a slot for it and all seems good. The displays are awesome. Very clean and its good to be able to adjust the brightness too..
The pic doesn't really do it justice. I have not aligned them with the translight as yet as I'm waiting on a backglass lift channel from MarkC!. I don't want to risk damaging the translite putting it in and out without one.
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Nice.. !!
Looks great #*#
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Nice.. !!
Looks great #*#
Its getting there, slowly...
The good news is today I found the holy grail of mylar places, in every colour and size under the rainbow! including chrome. So I picked up a mtr and its getting the lettering cut for "Police Force" on the domes on the header box.
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Nice.. !!
Looks great #*#
Its getting there, slowly...
The good news is today I found the holy grail of mylar places, in every colour and size under the rainbow! including chrome. So I picked up a mtr and its getting the lettering cut for "Police Force" on the domes on the header box.
...and where is this Holy place located..... <..>
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Nice.. !!
Looks great #*#
Its getting there, slowly...
The good news is today I found the holy grail of mylar places, in every colour and size under the rainbow! including chrome. So I picked up a mtr and its getting the lettering cut for "Police Force" on the domes on the header box.
...and where is this Holy place located..... <..>
The place is called ArtMart Australia. Located Joseph St Blackburn North (just off Middleborough Rd over fwy)... I was very impressed as they have tonnes of stuff, huge factory and were quite happy just selling a metre. Even put it on a cardboard roll too!
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aahhhh another lucky customer at ArtMart ;-)
ArtMart is about 500mtrs from my place, i bought lots of screen printing/signwriting adhesive/mylars in the past.
They are more expensive than most sign-supply places, but they're big and have stock all the time.
Cool stuff.
Marty (the other one).
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Top backbox decals done. Not displeased with result.
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Great job Marty... This pin is going to be awesome when done !
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thats a nice job Marty
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thats a nice job Marty
Great job Marty... This pin is going to be awesome when done !
Thanks guys,
Its getting there. I do like the chrome mylar...Has a very nice finish, but its super super thin. Very delicate putting it on. I originally was going to go with Arial bold font (have one made ready to go) but was not quite right. The signwriter / cutter man had a look on IPD and chose a different one (not sure which one) but got it very very close. There was some mylar left over so I've asked for another two to be cut and I will sling the previous owner one for his machine (only cause he's a top bloke!) if he wants it...
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OK..With this fantastic weather today I've got a bit more done.
Today removed the old flippers completely, inc new coils, flipper bats, rubbers and full rebuild kit from Greg! $!&
Put the new ones in (only second kit I've ever done), but this one seemed to go much smoothly from the last. In and tested and both seem to work very well.
I reversed the mounting of the coils, as they were still in the factory positioning. Also noticed some brown lock-tight in the hex nuts on the coil stop. Not sure if it was factory or an OP but good to see them being thorough!
Also on the yellow caps, I stripped some thick auto wire and used the sheath on both ends, just to copy what had been done previously.
I think I noticed a bit of a factory 'uh-oh' which was interesting too. On the r/h/s flipper assembly bracket, the left-hand upper bracket which should screw into the wood, hangs over a playfield insert? I guess they didnt have autocad back then!
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Should be really "snappy", now Marty... ^^^
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Should be really "snappy", now Marty... ^^^
Yup, she plays like new. Me and the lovely played the first proper game on it tonight. Love it. Great fun. Had to adjust the pop bumpers a bit, but now she's running on all 8 cylinders!
Unfortunately she is still talking about a Shrek...(Mark!!!!!!!!! - "Oh, there's a Shrek over there, why not play a game?!!!")
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Wifey will love Shrek more than F14 anyway :lol
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Few games played now. Is a super fast & fun game. Fast becoming a my favourite..
Just waiting on some cliffy's for the ramps & as soon as PinballAce sources some new ones I'll be all smiles $%$
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Awesome - well done!
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Awesome - well done!
Thanks Creech!
I must say I am very happy with the PinScore display too!
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Well done Marty ! Awesome Job...
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Should be really "snappy", now Marty... ^^^
Yup, she plays like new. Me and the lovely played the first proper game on it tonight. Love it. Great fun. Had to adjust the pop bumpers a bit, but now she's running on all 8 cylinders!
Unfortunately she is still talking about a Shrek...(Mark!!!!!!!!! - "Oh, there's a Shrek over there, why not play a game?!!!")
sorry mate && #@# *)* *)*
i have one at home too ....
wait till next week when a family guy sitting next to ti with a simpsons on the other side
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Should be really "snappy", now Marty... ^^^
Yup, she plays like new. Me and the lovely played the first proper game on it tonight. Love it. Great fun. Had to adjust the pop bumpers a bit, but now she's running on all 8 cylinders!
Unfortunately she is still talking about a Shrek...(Mark!!!!!!!!! - "Oh, there's a Shrek over there, why not play a game?!!!")
sorry mate && #@# *)* *)*
i have one at home too ....
wait till next week when a family guy sitting next to ti with a simpsons on the other side
Yes but you still don't play them enough - NO EXCUSES - I'll bet you still have not played a game on the ROCKY %.%
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With some spare time on my hands, I decided I didn't like the LED headlamps on the police car. They were this off-yellow colour and not really bright. I picked up some hyper-bright white LED's from Jaycar and replaced them. Unfortunately the photo cannot do it justice, but they are BRIGHT. Basically light up area as if they were real headlights! I may replace the red ones with some brighter ones too. Just to freshen it up a little.
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Nicely Done Martyj,
Is the left headlight out (do they alternatively flash?) or is it just the angle/flash or something?
Great to see people adding "their own touch" to personalise their pins, also making up for what was lacking in the original design.
MM.
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They both flash on diagonals with the red lights on top (if that makes sense - ie left top light to right head light) and vise versa. Then they will change up and all flash at once. IT was very difficult to take even one photo..!
I guess the quality of LED's back in 1989 were not as good as today...
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No probs, makes sense %$%
Yep, LEDs have come a LONG way since way back then, when they were merely designed as panel-status indicators.
Now they seem to be more about illumination, and damn bright. &&
MM.
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Last one!
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Well done Marty, Its come up REAL nice..
Now one question..... how long did it take you to get the right pic ? :lol :lol :lol
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Marty,
How did I miss this entire restoration thred? !@#
What an awesome looking pin! Looks like you had a pretty tidy game to start with.
I can remember when this game was on location and it got a heap of coin pumped into her!
You should be very proud of your efforts - I tip my hat!
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Thanks!
It was a real gem to start with. The playfield was in A1 condition....Once the electrical bugs were sorted its a great game. I really enjoy playing it and its definately a keeper!
Well done Marty, Its come up REAL nice..
Now one question..... how long did it take you to get the right pic ? :lol :lol :lol
Nup, got the photo right on the 11th shot! @.@
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Nice work marty Im really glad im going back through these restore threads there are a heap of great machines ive missed. Again Good work
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Nice work marty Im really glad im going back through these restore threads there are a heap of great machines ive missed. Again Good work
Thanks for that! I will have an update for the PF at the end of the week. The apron has been done, new decal and cleared. My spray painter who did it is very happy with it. I will take some pics and upload once I get it...
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Apron is done. Took a little while, but worth the wait.
The original was fine, but paint screen print had started to wear right in the middle. Decal set ordered and he's done his best to blend the clear so there is no sticker line. I know what I've done isn't stock, but I think the apron is something everyone sees and is important to look schmick..
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wow! that apron looks hot!!! keep up the great work!!!
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Very, very schmick !
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Wow, very glossy, very nice.
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So clean and shiny that dust won't even stick to it :lol
MM.